Best fighter since 50s to have never won a championship belt

I specified since the 50s, because before that many very good black fighters were marginalized due to racism.

 

Luis Rodriguez

 

He was welterweighs champ

 

Welterweight

 

Ah you're right, had to look it up. I thought he always fell a little short.

 

David Tua? Ike Ibeabuchi?

 

Can't really pick one

Some real good ones who didn't have the benefit of 12 different sanctioning bodies to hand them bullshit belts:

Jesus Pimentel
Bennie Briscoe
Art Hafey
Gypsy Joe Harris
George Benton
Doug Jones at 175
Billy Graham
Jorge Ahumada

Definitely some others I'm forgetting

 

Hurricane Carter?

 

No fucking way

 

Carter was an utterly average mid level contender in an incredibly deep middleweight division... he's not even one of the 10 best middleweights of the 1960s and I'll debate anybody on that point

 

His two claims to fame are a fluke stoppage of an underweight welter and getting away with murder

 

I used to have on VHS Luis Rodriguez's win over Griffith. He's one of the more underapperciated HOFmers.

I'm gonna say Briscoe.

 

Lots of them at heavyweight, even in the splintered title era. Kind of surprising guys like those two along with Golota and Ruddock never picked up a trinket. Mercer and Morrison as well if you don't count the WBO.

 

Rodriguez was a brilliant boxer and is clearly the most underrated great welterweight of all time

 

Cartee want great, but his power was as real as cancer.

 

He could have been champion of the woooooooorld

 

Totally ineffective against the best ... of he'd fought Emile 10000 times, he loses 9999 times and scores a TKO in the other

 

I love Dylan but goddamn did he miss the boat there

"... and ride a horse along the trail..."

 

Carter was a good puncher and had a handful of decent wins but far more notable defeats

 

Same.

 

It's a shame because the song is compelling... it'd be a great tune if the story was true

 

I see you are not familiar with the Dylan song, "Hurricane."

 

Dylan who?

 

Always read the thread first

 

Yet, in 1908, fully 42 years before your 1950 cut off point, Jack Johnson fought for the HW title. Joe Gans won the title in 1902, almost a full half-century before your cut off point. Jack Johnson refused to fight good black fighters, preferring a steady stream of undersized white dwarves and hopeless white Hopes like the years-retired Jeffries. Tiger Flowers MW Champ 1926. A man who wasn't afraid to fight the guys that Johnson avoided.

 

The best guys never to have won a title since the 1950's division by division

Heavyweight: Jerry Quarry
Cruiserweight: John Ruiz!!!
Welter-Light Heavy: Probably.......Charlie Burley
Bantamweight: Jesus Pimentel

 

Guess so. Lol.

 

Lol what a load of cherry picked, revisionist shite

Once Johnson's reign was done... they wouldn't even let a black fighter challenge for the title until more than TWENTY YEARS LATER and even then Joe Louis had to be groomed for public consumption... a kindly, dim, yessir, nosir black boy who knew his place ... before he even could get a shot at it

The 1940s alone was littered, fucking LITTERED with great black boxers who could never get a shot ...

Next you'll be telling us that Moses Fleetwood Walker played baseball in the 1880s so why are people using 1947 as some sort of turning point for baseball????

 

This topic is horse shit. Let's discuss 3 time champs

 

Baily