Ali of 1966 vs Frazier of 1971

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  1. cdogg187

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    FRAZIER sent Ali to the ropes in '71
     
    cdogg187, Apr 13, 2018
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  2. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    No, I think he would lay on the shots heavily.....Im not sure Ali of ´66 had it in him to cope....
     
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  3. cdogg187

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    Nah that's nuts... Ali proved his mettle as much as anybody ever ... he was all man in that ring
     
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    Ali COULD NOT maintain his dancing for 15 rounds after his layoff, that's my point. He was forced to sit on the ropes by most fighters. You think Foreman is the only guy he ever fought that way against? It become legend in that fight because of the success he had with it, and the big upset, the impact and the use of the phrase...but Ali stopped dancing after a few rounds against pretty much all his 70s opponents. After about 3 or 4 rounds he'd always lean on the ropes and wait for lulls in the action before exploding again. One of the things that everyone knows about Ali is that after the layoff, he no longer had those cat like reflexes, the upper body movement or the ability to dance for 15 rounds. He was a different fighter.
     
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    Rich ´Money´ Mustard DIE!

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    Yes but look at the droppage by Cooper in '65: Ali was clearly fried by that left-hook and the Dundee worked like mad to get him prepped for Rd6.
    If Cooper had anything like Frazier's arsenal, he'd have stopped Ali...imo anyway
     
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    The cooper “droppage” occurred in ‘63 not ‘65
     
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    Irrelevant.
    Ali´s recuperative powers weren´t prevalent until the next decade.
     
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  8. cdogg187

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    Oh bullshit

    The extended break is a myth

    Time between rounds was like 62 seconds

    If 2 seconds is the difference between a bloody stoppage victory and a KO loss, I'll eat my hat
     
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    There's not any difference between 63 and 66 Ali? C'mon now

    Sly's dismissals of Frazier are retarded but so is this kind of crap
     
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    You think hew developed a better chin and conditioning in 2-3 years?
    I dont.

    Maybe got better ring generalship and faster combinations...
     
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    He became a better, more experienced fighter in that time and I'd say a stronger man as well

    Don't see how there's any logical argument against that
     
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    In order for fighters to have peaks they need to have periods of ascent as surely as they have periods of decline
     
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    I think prime Frazier stops “young Ali”. Older Ali had to gradually learn to deal with guys he couldn’t dance around all night. Young Ali didn’t and I don’t think he’d be able to keep away or keep Frazier off of him.
     
    BazookaJ, Apr 14, 2018
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    Concur.
    100%.
     
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    No no no...Ali was 'rope-a-doping' him. Apparently.

    MTF
     
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