BEST Fight, WORST Fight, BEST KO, Biggest UPSET Potential on June 9th?

Porter is not a small welter. He fought at middleweight in the amateurs and turned pro at 165.

I believe you meant he's a short welter which in reality makes him roughly the same height as Pac if not taller.

 

Nevew saw it, but from pretty much all report Ive read, mathysse provo wasnt a war and was even a bit of a dissapointment


I think mathysse has zero chance against pacman. Even the shit 2018 version

 

Arum is currently trying to postpone a black fighter (Prograis) from beating one of his Latino cash cows (Ramirez).

 

For Playing Along with Arum's "Injured Hand" Excuse, Which Postponed the Fight, AND for Not Bitching about His Fight Being on an App, that's the LEAST Arum Could've Done....







REED

 

if you ask crawford what he would prefer Im guessing he'd prefer the money.

obviously ESPN was willing to pony up considerably more for t he fight to be on the app. they put up over 5 mill for the cards purses alone. lomachenko didnt get nearly that much and crawford didnt get nearly that much when he fought indongo

 

This is what I remember too. I didn't watch it but I remember people saying they were disappointed.

 

Of Course he'd Prefer the Money. Who's Arguing Otherwise?

Doesn't Make it Any LESS Idiotic to Put the 3rd Most Marketable Fighter in your Stable on an App...

They Overpaid Crawford for the RISK of the App and for Pulling the Proposed PPV w/Horn from Under Him, 1nce Pac Showed Disinterest in Being on the Undercard...

NOT Because Crawford's Worth 3mil...













REED

 

you seem to be arguing that top rank isnt looking out for crawfords best interests.

if crawford was faced with the option of fighting horn on regular espn for 1.5 mill (or whatever the number may have been) or getting 3 million to fight on this new app then what do you think he'd choose?

pulling the PPV wasnt up to top rank at that point. it was obviously not feasible without pacquaio on it

you also have to consider horn and his end financially. he wasnt obligated to fight crawford. him getting 1.75 mill made it happen

 

Between Lomachenko, Pacquiao and Crawford, Which 1 Made the MOST Sense to Put on the ESPN+ App?

You're Arguing a Point REED ISN'T Even Making...





REED

 

the point you and xplosive have been arguing is that arum is not doing things in the best interest of crawfords career.

clearly either him or lomachenko made far more sense to put on the app than pacquiao. one got more exposure and one got more money. what exactly is the problem here.

as for stevenson, not only did he decide it was in his best interest to choose arum but so did james prince and andre ward (who also wanted to sign with top rank within the past few years)

 

Neil, I'm saying that the app move hurt BOXING. Never argued that it hurt TC's pockets.

 

surely the app was a large part of the ESPN deal top rank signed. espn sees an opportunity to push this technology and they were gonna have to get some name guys from the top rank stable on it for the entire deal to make sense.

crawford doesnt seem like the most thoughtful or forthcoming fighter when being interviewed, but it would be interesting to hear his response if he was asked:

A) did you have a say in the matter of fighting on that platform as opposed to regular ESPN ?

B) If not would you have preferred fighting on regular espn for half the money?

 

Clearly, it Made the MOST Sense to Put Lomachenko on the App...You KNOW this as Well as REED, You're Just Tooooo Fucking STUBBORN to Acknowledge the Truth...

There's NO Comparison in the Way Arum SPEAKS Of and PROMOTES Lomachenko, as Compared to Terence Crawford. Again, Dude Didn't Say DICK about Crawford OR the App Until the Week of the Damn Fight, and Even Then he was ASKED About It 1st...

Obviously, Top Rank and ESPN OVERPAID Crawford...They Did Him a Solid...Why? Because Crawford EXPECTED to Be Facing Horn on PPV...Top Rank Had it All Mapped Out Until Pacquaio Threw Salt in the Game...Then Came the "Injured" Hand...

The 3mil Was Basically INSURANCE to Crawford, Given the UNCERTAINTY of the App Sales + the Lost Revenue from the Cancelled PPV...Doesn't Take a Rhodes Scholar to Figure That Out Neil...

Let's NOT Pretend this is the Norm for Crawford...

Just Because Arum Overpaid (REED'll Bet Anything ESPN Took On the Bulk of the 3mil Anyways) 1nce, in an Extenuating Circumstance, DOESN'T Make Him a Benevolent Promoter Who's Done Right by Crawford from Day 1...

As for Stevenson, James Prince is his MANAGER, if REED's Not Mistaken...Knowing Al Haymon's ALSO a Manager, REED Can See Why Prince Would Be Leery of Steering Shakur in that Direction...Also, to Be Blunt, Prince Wants to Be the HNIC of Shakur's Career, Which Wouldn't Be the Case if Shakur Signed with Haymon...

Soooooo, Since Prince WASN'T Going to Allow Stevenson to Align with Haymon, What Other Choices did he Have?...Golden Boy has 2 Fighters Worth a Damn...

Top Rank was the Odd Man Out, So to Speak...








REED

 

Why did it make more sense to put lomachenko on the app than Crawford ??

What am I missing here?

 

THIS...

Most Fans that REED's Encountered DIDN'T Even Know the Fight Wasn't on "Regular" ESPN Until the 11th Hour...And By the Time it Got Down to Ordering a Subscription, They were Turned Off...

REED Doesn't Recall Seeing a Single Commercial Advertising the Fight Or it Being on the ESPN+ App...Even During ESPN's Sportscenter, REED Never 1nce Saw a Crawford-Horn Commercial...

The App May or May Not Be the Wave of the Future, but in Regards to Fans and Viewers, Crawford-Horn Did More BAD than Good...Hell, REED Knows @ Least 5 Dudes Who Watched the Fight on Youtube, an Hour or So After it Happened...








REED

 

They were promoting the Crawford fight on espn during the nba finals

 

Where? The Scroll?

Didn’t See Even 1 Commercial.





REED

 

Wow, way more than I thought.

 

Isn't Prograis a little small for Ramirez?

 

And why is that do you think, why do they want to sign with Top Rank? Especially given what a snake Bob is, skanking and robbing his own fighter, not just his own fighter but the most popular fighter in his stable in Pacquiao.

 

i dont recall exactly but i am sure i heard it mentioned verbally, whether by the announcers during a game or in a commercial.

im still waiting to hear the logic behind why lomachenko was a more suitable fighter to feature on the app than crawford?

 

Seriously?

One Guy is Ranked # 1 Pound for Pound by the Very Network in Question. One Guy Has Produced HIGHER Ratings and Been Featured MORE Times On the Network In Question (In Considerably FEWER Fights, No Less), Getting MAJOR Love On SportsCenter Every Time Out.

One Guy Has Headlined the Big Room at MSG, Won Back to Back Gold Medals and is THIS Close to Having Legitimate Mainstream Boxing Cache. One Guy is Discussed and Held in the HIGHEST Regard By His Promoter, as Opposed to Getting COURTESY Mentions During Fight Week.

One Guy is CLEARLY the Prized Possession of Top Rank, The Other Guy is Named Terence Crawford.

But If You Want to Continue Playing Def, Dumb, Blind, Clueless and Unbeknownst, Have At It Homey.







REED

 

what you are saying makes no sense to me. you are stating a case for why it makes more sense for arum to push lomachenko harder than crawford.

 

Exactly. App may have been the only way to get TC money like that.

 

That's not racism. That's business. If Prograis were the "cash cow," you think he wouldn't do the same for him?

 

Jose Ramirez, Mex. He's a junior welter, same as Prograis.

You're thinking about Zurdo Ramirez, who's a supermiddle.

Arum promotes both Ramirez's, Jose and Zurdo.

To his credit, Jose Ramirez showed against Imam that he is a good fighter, and I don't think he's an easy fight for Prograis.

 

You Asked For LOGIC Behind Launching an App On Lomachenko’s Back, In Lieu of Crawford’s...

REED Provided What Was Requested. Splendidly, He Might Add.









REED

 

why would arum do that? you seem to think lomachenko is on the brink of crossing over to the mainstream. if thats the case why would arum thwart his progress toward that goal ?

also lets not pretend like ESPN didnt give crawford a strong push when he fought indongo. they did

 

You're PROVING REED's Point for Him...

If Anybody's "Progress" Can Afford to Be Thwarted, it's the MARQUEE Fighter of Top Rank...There was Much LESS Risk in Putting Lomachenko on the App than Crawford...That's the Point REED's Been Making...

English ISN'T Even Loma's 1st Language, yet he's 10x as Engaging as Crawford in Interviews, w/a More Eye Catching Manner of Fighting...As Such, It's a NOfuckingBRAINER to Use Lomachenko in the Capacity of Launching an App, in Lieu of Crawford...Lomachenko's the Trump Card of Top Rank and You PLAY that Fucking Card in Situations Like This, Period...

"Let's Not Pretend" Crawford-Indongo Got the Push Lomachenko-Rigondeaux or Lomachenko-Linares Received...

REED Can't Even Believe You're Arguing from the POV You've Chosen, Bruh...Seriously, Did You LOSE Your Position as the Token White Guy of TMT? Are You Shilling for Top Rank Now???...







REED

 

yes thats it, Im shilling for top rank now. its pointless to continue this