IS KOVALEV IN TROUBLE THIS WEEKEND???...

Kovalev has 4 more KOs than Froch and they both have 35-odd fights.
This isn´t a criticism at you, but do you know what punching-power really is, X? It´s more complicated than just ´Fighter Y having more KOs than Fighter Z´

Furthermore, Froch overall will go down as a better fighter at 168 than Kovalev at 175.
Well, he should do, but then Americans tend to hate Froch anyway and because Kovalev fough in the US most of the time, they´ll go with him.

 

Kovalev had heavy hands and a hard to read, herky jerky style in the early rounds that made him really dangerous for anybody. Hard to say how much pure power he had.

The first time I saw Alvarez I said “this guy looks and fights like Felix Trinidad except he can’t punch and he doesn’t throw a lot of punches.”

 

Euros over rate the fuck out of Froch.

 

Very informative post.
Well done.

Shame you overlooked the facts.

 

Now I guess it’s not so hard to believe that Ward legitimately crushed the Krusher, right?

 

Like Terp said, Brits overrate Froch moreso than Americans underrate him.

The Hell makes him better than Kov? Ward beat the brakes off Froch without needing a rematch, while Kov beat Ward and got jobbed.

 

Kov also makes Ward's resume take a hit.

I don't think Ward could have beaten any of the 175 greats. I'm not even talking about a Spinks or Roy.

I'd take Eddie Mustafa Muhammad to beat Ward.

 

Good call Reed. You saw the writing on the wall.

 

Froch has a far better resume.
It's not up for debate so don't bother trying.

Ward 'beating the brakes off Froch?
Lolz.
He outpointed him which is 20x less-embarrassing than being stopped by him at a weight higher: who the fuck does Ward stop at 168 let alone a Fightbeat-overrated Ivan Drago who's king of his 175 division??

Americans hate Froch and always have done since he late-KO'd Jermain 'Life-in-prison or Death' Taylor and he's also got a big mouth and opinions.

Typical Fightbeat hypocrisy yet again: cherry-picking their own favorite fighters to fit their own little collective narrative, e.g. Errol Spence.

 

Trinidad w/a Dose of Saoul Mamby…











REED

 

The truth is... 90% of the time it's the BRITS who turn boxing into a "US vs UK" thing. I, for one, could give a flying fuck where a fighter is from.

The Taylor fight is a horrible example considering I always DESPISED Jermain Taylor, and literally jumped out my seating cheering Froch on when he got Taylor in trouble in the 12th.

Try again, limey.

 

I don't think you understand the dynamic of America, Mostarda.

If anything, Americans generally root for fighters moreso on RACE than nationality.

The average white American would root for a white Brit to beat up an American black 90% of the time.

And most American blacks would probably root for a black Brit to beat an American white guy.

 

That's actually bullshit. You are projecting.

 

That's Because Boxing is a LEGIT Mainstream Sport in the UK, So Brits Can't Fathom Americans NOT Giving a Fuck about a Former Olympian Like Jermain Taylor...

Truth Is, Boxing's a NICHE Sport in the U.S...A Handful of Fighters Garner Mainstream Attention, but By and Large, Boxing is NOT a Popular American Sport...

REED's Sure There's Hardcore Boxing Fans in ARKANSAS That Hate Carl Froch (and Kelly Pavlik, and Arthur Abraham), but They'll Be Next to Impossible to Find in the Other 49 States...

Case in Point, Andre Ward...Hasn't Lost a Fight Since he was a Child, Olympic Gold Medalist, 2-Weight World Champion, Won the Super 6, Gentleman, Good Role Model, Blah, Blah, Blah...Yet Outside of Oakland and Vegas, Ward Could Walk Down Most American Streets Unnoticed...

To Your Point, Most Hardcore, American Boxing Fans Have NO Grudge Against Carl Froch…







REED

 

Alvarez fight nothing like tito. Hes more of a better herman ngoudjo

 

Hopefully we get an alvarez stevenson match now. Would be huge in montreal

 

The British-US rivalry is all in the minds of Brits. They had to sit for years and watch their hopefuls fail to make it while the US was the world capitol of boxing. Being equal to the US and “the other western nation” is important to them.

That’s why they still talk about “Wuhl Clawss” and “dohmacetick” like it’s 1978.

 

Even less likely now

 

The last time that whole US-UK "boxing rivalry" thing took hold here was probably Mayweather-Hatton. I always hated Hatton so I made some decent money off casuals who got caught up in it. It will probably resurface again if AJ fights Wilder.

What you have to realise is, the majority of the fans who attended Hatton fights, and also those who attend the current Hearn cards are not boxing fans. They're football fans who want something to do in the evening. They will buy into the whole patriotism narrative, they will sing 'Sweet Caroline' and they will pack out Wembley Stadium and make certain people very rich. It's probably good for the sport, I dunno.

 

Froch only really became known in the UK outside of hardcores after the Bute fight, and only became something of a crossover after the first Groves fight.

 

The first Groves fight wasn’t even shown in the US and the second was barely watched.

Edit- misread you’re post.

 

Some of us thought this was a ridiculous question a couple years ago too.

 

Mostarda managed

Never thought he had a realistic chance of BEATING Roy. But he seemed durable enough that he might go into a shell and lose a wide UD.

But it's apparent now that he wouldn't have handled Roy's power.

 

Frochater!

 

He LOOKS a Lot Like Tito in the Face Though...






REED

 

Yeah I'd imagine it didn't garner much interest in the US. Anyway, the US-UK rivalry means far more to the casuals than it does to the hardcores. Besides, it always seemed to me like Froch received a lot of respect from American fight fans because of his willingness to travel abroad and fight anybody.

 

Agreed

Even if I still think he was robbed blindly in the first Ward fight, and that the second fight was an abomination, Kovalev is not as good as I thought he was. He has poor stamina, and tend to fight with his chin in the air, and he doesn't take punches well.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Stevenson would have taken him if that fight went off when both were in their primes. I simply can't see him survive 12 rounds with a bomber like stevenson, so Kovy chance would be to blast him out early, which would be hard to do since Stevenson is a rather elusive guy

 

Definitively, it's weird that I never noticed

 

While I'm really disappointed in Kovalev's performance you are being a tad too harsh on him. He's already in his mid 30 (in fact, the same age as Roy Jones when he was absolutely wrecked by basically a journeyman in Glen Johnson) and clearly on the way down, both physically and mentally (a lot of rumors about him not training seriously). I won't lie, his ''prime'' stock definitely went down, as now the talk about him being a front runner gained a lot of credence, but I'm still not 100% convinced it's was the case while he was wrecking through the division. Look at the performances of the top 70's/80's lhw when they were in their mid 30's (in fact, some of them were already shot by the time they were 30) and you'll find a lot of them had far more embarrassing performances than Kovalev's one last Saturday night.

 

Agreed with Azazel, the problem with several of these Eastern Europeans, another example is Usyk, is that their time in the sun will necessarily be short because of their relatively late entry to the pro ranks. That can skew perceptions of their goodness/greatness where early thirties physical decline will be seen as intrinsic flaws as fighters which is amplified by how infrequently the top fighters fight these years. This weekend's Kovalev is not the same guy who fought Cleverly, and it has nothing to do with the class of opponent.