Fights that were won primarily because of intangibles

Like who?

Yes, of course everyone knows what a huge wald pussy fan I am

 

Last week 'everybody said' Foreman quit against Ali, too.

I get it that none of us understands anything about boxing but apparently none of us has ever read anything about the sport nor discussed it, either

 

Your life must be really miserable that you constantly feel the need to do some little snide remarks every time i post something.

But then, its been proven years ago that you are a huge loser

 

That’s how you know that he has been bitch slapped. He results to childish insults while going into a rage. It is a common occurrence for him.

 

Agreed completely, its obvious that ugtbk was constantly bitch slapped in his childhood and probably even his adult life

 

As you can see, my post didn't include a single name-calling nor personal attack.

I just wanted to point out that it is difficult to have an actual discussion when you always throw the you-know-nothing card.

And even if that were true, you telling us what is 'always said' by the boxing community as if none of us knew even that, is pretty weird stance to take.

But nice to see you were able to argue about matters, once again

 

If you actually followed the discussion, and werent so interested in continuing some little ebeef, you would know that im not the one who pulled first the "the whole boxing community think like me" argument

 

Ok, so this was the very first time this has been discussed here. Let's leave it at that.

 

Wlad didn't quit in any of his losses.

I think one fight which was won because of the intangibles was Yory Boy Campas vs Raul Marquez

Marquez couldn't fucking see him.

Another intangible in that fight was that Yory Boy Campas is actually Charles Bronson.

 

Lol

 

Michael Hunter beat Bokole tonight because Bokole was intangibly shit.

 

Wlad quit against lamon brewster. He fought more or less valiantly in his other losses, but he quit plain as day in that fight

 

How? By staggering into the referees's arms, legs totally gone, after eating a left hook?

 

He barely got hit. He flopped to the canvas and made it known to the referee that he had no intention to continue. His whole body language was screaming get me the fuck out of here. Hell ive already posted a video where you clearly see wlad making no with his head toward his corner as the fight his stopped

Guy was having a panic attack cause brewster refused to fall down, as he was supposed to.

Anyway this is off topic. Fact remains that whether you think wlad quit or not, it was a perfect example of intangibles winning a fight

 

But, for the record nobody else thinks he quit even those of us who have been making fun of him for nearly 15 years

 

I've read some batshit theories about that fight, from both sides of the divide, but none that said he quit.

 

Yeah but EVERYBODY KNOWS he quit!

 

I'll keep this polite, so you can respond in kind.

The headshake happens right AFTER the ref has stopped the fight, right in front of Wlad's eyes.

Do you assume Wlad didn't notice the ref? Because if he didn't, he should have been pretty groggy, which can't be the case if he didn't get hit. And if he wanted to quit, why did he haul himself up from the canvas for ref's ruling, since he could have stayed down or faked a KO?

It is possible to have a panic attack, but I find it very odd way to quit by shaking your head after a fight is stopped

 

Danny Williams against Mark Potter.

Fucking loved Williams, he wasn't very good but he was in some immense scraps over the years. That fight is still the most incredible thing I've seen in all my years watching boxing.

 

The no sign was directed at his corner, to tell them that there was no point in arguing the stoppage cause he didnt want to continue. The quit job was his whole body language before that. He fell down for no reason and gave no choice to the ref to stop it

 

I would concur with it being an incredible thing if it weren't for the sheer utter incompetence of Potter and more importantly his chief 2nds.

Potter was a journeyman, even perhaps at British level, and he was on the verge of a very lucky breakthrough.

All he had to do was just not engage and the title was his.

It was even worse than 172lb Billy Conn trying to knock Louis out when he had the guy beat on the cards.

Just. Stay. Away.

Instead, and perhaps in an odd way Potter is to be congratulated, he tried to get the guy out of there.

Even if he had done that............so what. He would have knocked out a 1-armed crippled opponent.

Potter never got close to the Lonsdale Belt again. His last fight was a KO loss for a Southern Area title.

 

Potter didn't even have the sense to circle towards Danny's busted arm. He kept moving right in on the left arm.

 

You're right that in hindsight he should have stayed away, but even before the arm dislocation he was putting a beating on Danny that night. Also, Williams' arm had come out a couple of rounds before and his corner had pushed it back in. Obviously the second dislocation was far worse but Potter wouldn't have been aware of that and probably just wanted to get the guy out of there.

Weirdly, when I used to post on the AOL boxing boards back in the early 2000's, Potter's niece also used to post on there, nice girl. She said that Mark was an honest guy, he knew he didn't have the talent to make it much further than British level and that his one dream was to become British champion. Obviously that was his big chance and he admitted it will always bother him that he threw it away but he had nothing but praise for Danny for pulling it out of the bag. At that time of course he was still active and must have thought another chance would come his way, but like you say, it never did, so I'm guessing that will be eating away at him for the rest of his days now.

 

Pudgy John McDermott. Never looked a fighter but if he was around now I would hazard a safe bet he'd give Joshua a better fight than old man Povetkin or Dillian Whyte or Joseph Parker.

Blew away sculpted specimens who were better athletes a la Pele Reid and Larry Olabumiwo and arguably beat Danny Williams and Tyson Fury when Fury was a young up and comer.

Underrated chin, had a very very good jab, kept his hands up and had a good compact, well-schooled style. Threw a lot of short bombs with both hands despite being 6-3".

Don't see a lot of guys like him around now. Hands up, chin down, picks the jab very well, get's off good short combos, uppercuts and then pivots down to the body sometimes with his right hand too.



McDermott could fight.

 

McDermott was a very good fighter, even though he was a chubby bastard. He definitely beat Fury first time round, in fact I would say that is one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. He got robbed big time against Williams as well.

 

Yeah Potter reminds me a bit of Martin Rogan, a bit too honest for his own good. I should imagine that fight claws away at him from time to time just like the Louis fight must have bugged Conn.

"My night!?? My night!?? He get's an outdoor title shot in a ball park and whadda I get? A one way ticked to Palookaville"!!



Rogan was another Cinderella Man who never looked a fighter. Short, short arms, ungainly style, no discernible talent. Gave up driving a taxi to try his hand at HW boxing.


Rogan had racked up big wins over guys like Audley Harrison and more impressively over Matt Skelton.

When he fought Sam Sexton, a fight he was winning, he had Sexton going and for some strange reason he let him off the hook.........because he felt sorry for him or something.

Sexton wound up caving Rogans eye in and he lost on a TKO. Again, he never came close to scaling the heights he had managed previously.




I guess FINISHING is another intangible.

Golota couldn't finish a fight to save his life.

Rogan could have finished Sexton and put himself in a big money situation at the time the British scene was wide wide open..........but he never had the mentality to finish it and threw it away really.

 

He beat Fury and he should have that win on his record. That was his last big roll of the dice.

If Price had fought the McDermott that fought Fury the first time, he'd have been sparked out.

McDermott was the sort of guy who if you saw him walking down the street you would swear he never did a day in his life in the gym.

In the ring, he was the real deal. He could bob and pick shots, roll in behind the jab, get off the short combos, the full complement.

I mean kids today could tell you who Joseph Parker is but he didn't have a shred of the acumen of McDermott.

I don't see any 6'3" guys today who have that style.

In many regards, McDermott was more skilled than Wlad or Joshua or Wilder.