Harada did give Jofre problems with his swarming style so this fight is super close. I lean towards Jofre via close, controversial decision.
I think Jofre wins. Outside of power, he was better than Ruben at most everything else, and Jofre was a big puncher himself... just not the brutal puncher Olivares was. Jofre had a MUCH better chin, that's for sure. But based on styles, Olivares wrecks Fighting Harada. You cant be a light hitting swarmer like Harada and walk into the type of power Olivares had.
Olivares chin wasn't really an issue until he stopped taking care of himself between fights but Jofre's was better This is a great matchup ... both highly adaptable fighters ... but Jofre is a tough ask even for Ruben ... Jofre by either decision or late stoppage
Jofre was a better technician, I think everyone knows that. Olivares would have the edge in power, but even so... it's not like Jofre was a slouch in that department. Jofre was a booming puncher.
Olivares was a great technician himself though... when he couldn't overpower guys he could play defense, counter, the works... that's how he beat Chucho... Jofre hit just as hard as Olivares, IMO
Of course Olivares was a great technician. And power wise, I dunno... for ONE punch power... Olivares' left hook was one of the devastating punches ever P4P. Hell, he was so powerful that he sparked the much bigger Chacon at 126. But Jofre from I've seen had even handed power.... devastating with both the hook and the cross. The right cross was his Sunday punch though, it seems. Another thing I can say about Jofre, like Olivares, he had a devastating body attack.
It also adds to Jofre's greatness that he KO'd Saldivar. Now, Saldivar was washed up, but then again... Jofre was 110 years old. It should also be noted that Jofre was big at 118 and had trouble making the weight. If there was a 122 pound division around in his era then Gomez probably wouldn't be known as the super bantam GOAT.
Nah I discount that fight frankly... Saldivar was a corpse ... had nothing ... less meaningful than Duran/Cuevas IMO
That's a slightly different scenario. Duran on his best day wipes his ass with Cuevas 100/100... regardless if Cuevas is prime or not. A guy as wide open and one dimensional as Cuevas was made for one of the all time great counterpunchers. But point noted on Jofre-Saldivar. Jofre loses to a prime Saldivar at 126.
Yeah, prime for prime I don't think he can keep Saldivar off Duran definitely beats Pipino but nowhere near as easily as he did... he'd actually get hit a few times at least
"Like I said before", Jofre got unlucky that 122 didn't exist in his time. If it did, he might have retired undefeated, as he likely moves up before losing to Harada instead of coming in weight drained.
That is such a misconception. Cuevas was giving good account of himself against Duran and was landing a lot, before getting caught
I don't think you really follow boxing, or at the very least, you didnt watched most of the matches you're commenting on
there's that "grasp" again You're a buffoon, man. You're a guy that watches an unconscious guy held up by ropes get hit flush with haymakers and says "this stoppage was no so bad durrrr durrr I'm retarded" and you think your impressions of what takes place in a boxing match are in any way sensible or reality-based??
This is honestly why I spend most my time on Eastside nowadays. Every compelling boxing discussion/matchup gets sidetracked and turns into a pissing match.
Yup... Ruben Olivares and Eder Jofre are totally obscure fighters in boxing history. Complete unknowns. But tell us again about the marvelous sport that involves one man's face pressed against another man's sweaty crotch.
I've gone back and forth on this fight many times through the years, but I think I've finally settled on giving Olivares the edge. Although Jofre was a more refined technician, I think Olivares was the more dynamic of the two. He's shown he can fight equally well from any distance and at any pace. I'm not so sure about Jofre - although he showed he could step up the pace at times against Joe Medel, overall I think he was less comfortable in a fight where he wasn't dictating the pace from his preferred range. I think Olivares uses a similar approach as he did against Castillo - boxes from the outside and opens up as needed to eek out a decision.
I'd still pick Jofre, but lately I've been entertaining at least the possibility that Olivares beats Jofre, Jofre beats Zarate, and Zarate beats Olivares.
