Who was the prototype "leap amateur"?

Norris wasnt a leap amateur. The guy had excellent skills and knew how to box.

Norris had two problems - 1. Glass chin. 2. A hot head.

You certainly cant compare Norris to a Thurman/Khan/Berto.

 

Norris was like Willie Pep compared to those fuckboys ... I don't think highly of Norris as anybody that's been here a while knows ... but he was no leap amateur... he was well schooled, he was just a dope with a chin made out of hymen

 

I agree Norris was leap

 

Are there any "good" fighters who were, "leap amateurs?" I guess Sergio Martinez. You can complain all you want about his style - but the guy beat some good fighters and had a successful career.

 

Jean Pascal had a pretty good run and he's an unadulterated leap amateur

 

Hamed was the best of the leap amateurs.

 

BoxRec: Wayne Leap

 

I wouldn't describe Hamed as a leap amateur, personally. Leap amateur to me is somebody who has been taught the basics of boxing and is perhaps athletically gifted enough to do them well, but doesn't know WHY he's doing them, doesn't get the nuances. The IQ is lacking and their in-ring thinking is almost pre-programmed and robotic, if what they do normally isn't working they malfunction and can't figure out how to change it. Hamed was unorthodox and technically flawed but he could genuinely fight, there was a method to the madness.

 

I'll accept it, but that means Martinez doesn't apply either, as he could genuinely fight as well.

I guess that makes Taylor the best of the sad bunch. Taylor was better than Berto, Khan, and Thurman.

 

I'd agree Taylor was the best of them, I'd even say his leap-amateur skittishness was what allowed him to beat or be competitive (depending on how you scored the fights) with a classic boxer like Hopkins. It took a while for Hopkins to get a read on the twitchiness and start timing him, which let Taylor put rounds in the bank. Plus Taylor back then had a nice, sharp jab which didn't have a lot of 'tell' on it.

 

Well Norris would throw 6 shots when he really only needed to throw one.......and he'd get nailed, mid flurry.

 

He became a bit leapish as his training ethic declined.....he did spend a lot of time in the MAB fight leaping in with single shots and being made to look utterly daft.

But yes....he didn't ALWAYS do it. He did do it once his stamina was gone and he couldn't box properly for 3 rounds.

 

He ain't leaping no more

 

He wasnt a defensive wiz, that's for sure. He mainly utilized footwork for defense.

Offensively he was beautiful when he was on.

I dont think Terry Norris was a great fighter. Leonard and Curry would have killed him if they were in their primes

But he was no leap amateur.

 

Pretty much Roy did what he did because he had so much speed. He still dropped Reggie Johnson with a perfectly orthodox 1-2.

 

The fastest combo ever thrown. Literally looked like something out of a fantasy kung fu film.

I've often just rewound it over and over again in disbelief how fast it was.

 

Leap Amateurs have not been taught well, though ... that's the problem

 

Serious question, what about Pryor?

I guess he would fall into the category of guys who just said fuck the conventional way of boxing, and just fought by his own rules?

 

He's the type clogg would normally deride. But given his legendary status, he will cite vague technicalities to explain why he's an exception.

 

Leap Amateurs are a modern thing ... they didn't exist in Pryor's era ... Pryor was an incredibly unorthodox brawler/boxer, not a leap amateur

The most important aspect of being a leap amateur is tense, skittish defense... reacting to everything like it's a grenade

This is a NEW problem in boxing, it wasn't a thing until the last 2-3 decades

 

You don't know anything about anything

Except maybe drinking while posting

 

Bullshit.

Throw a steak in the air and I bet you'd see him leap for it.

 

It was VINTAGE Roy...

A HYBRID "1-2"...The "1" Wasn't Quite Down the Middle Like a Traditional Jab...Yet it Wasn't a Fully Torqued or Turned Left Hook Either...

The "1" Started from Roy's Hip and Smacked Johnson High on the Head...A "Looping 1" if You Will...The Follow Up "2" was Textbook, However...And it was a COUNTER 1-2 @ That! Before Johnson Ever Realized He was Hurt from a Shot, He was Hurt By 2 Shots...& Even in the Slooooooooooooooowest of SLOW MOTION, That Combo is FAST As Fuck...

"Hookercut" Isn't an Uncommon Term in Boxing Today, Yet REED Has Yet to See a Fighter Land It Like Roy Did to KO Griffin in the RE...Even Feinted the Exact Same Punch @ Griffin, 20-30 Seconds Prior to Gauge His Reaction...And Griffin LOWERED Both Forearms to BLOCK an Incoming Uppercut Both Times...

Roy's GRASP of Boxing Fundamentals is What Allowed Him to Successfully DEVIATE From Them...Not to Say He was THE Most Fundamentally Sound Fighter Ever, But the Idea of Roy Being JUST an Athlete or a "Leap Amateur" Ain't Accurate @ All...You Could Literally SEE His Mind @ Work During Fights...





REED

 

Norris? No fucking way.

One of the main ones not brought up so far is David Reid.
Hamed was, but Hamed could also fight in a more professional way and often did. He just wasn't as good doing things standard.

 

The ultimate hookercutter was Ruddock.

 

I brought reid before

 

Valid Point...

"Smash" or Whatever Ruddock Called It Was QUITE Formidable...Still, REED Hasn't Seen the Whipping/Angling Motion of the Roy-Griffin 2 Kill Shot Since That Bout...NOR Ruddock's "Smash" Either, to Your Point...

Ruddock Got a LOT More Out of the Hookercut for Sure....




REED

 

Not sure Taylor was better than pascal. The dawson win was huge, and he has some other solid wins