Andy Ruiz v Anthony Joshua II

First fight was an afflete vs a fighter.

Second was a boxer vs a lazy blob.

 

gotta agree with terp that prior reputationshould have no bearing on how you score a fight. That being said, I think Fury definitely won most, if not all of the early rounds

 

What Criteria Did YOU Base Your Scoring of Those Early Rounds On, Because it Certainly Wasn't "Clean Punches" or "Effective Aggression"...So Please ELABORATE On What YOU Based Your Pro Fury Card On, Particularly Early???...

In the REAL World of Boxing, Ref's, Judges and Fans Have Typically SEEN the Fighters In Action Before...,REED's Interviewed Referee's Who've Said They SCOUT Fighters They're About to Officiate to Familiarize Themselves w/Them, Pick Up on Tendencies, etc...

And as a Reminder, REED Was Speaking Specifically About RING GENERALSHIP...

The term is somewhat subjective, but for our purposes, ring generalship refers to a boxer's ability to manipulate space and positioning to dictate where and when the fight takes place. A "ring general" fights on their terms, choosing a battlefield that deploys their strengths against the enemy's weak points

As REED Stated, When Styles Differ as MUCH as Fury's and Wilder's, it Ain't Hard to Determine Ring Generalship..."Fights on Their Terms". "Deploys Their Strengths Against the Enemy's Weak Points"...

You KNEW Tyson Fury's STRENGTHS/WEAKNESSES Ahead of Time and You Scored Those Early Wilder Rounds Accordingly...You KNEW What Fury's "Terms" Were Ahead of Time and You Scored Those Early Wilder Rounds Accordingly...Whether You ADMIT it or Not, You Did; it's Human Nature...

& If Not, What EXACTLY Was Your Basis for Scoring Those Early Rounds for Fury???...

When a Celebrity Fighter is Interviewed Ringside and Asked His Assessment of How a Bout is Going, 9 Times Out of 10 He'll Say "______ Is Losing Because He's Fighting ______'s Fight"...The Celebrity Fighter's Basing That Off of What he's SEEN from Those Fighters in the Past, their Preferred Methods of Fighting...

Scoring a Boxing Match AIN'T as Difficult as Some Make It...Use the Criteria, Don't Allow the Criteria to Use YOU...And Don't PRETEND You Have No Fucking Clue HOW a Guy Fights or How a Guy WANTS to Fight, Unless you Really HAVEN'T Seen Him Fight...






REED

 

“He’s beating him at his own game and losing every round in the process! What a fight!”

You’re saying that whether you, the viewer, has seen the boxers in other fights before their fight has a direct effect on what’s happening in the ring. That’s some philosophical quantum physics shit, Reed.

 

"They Wrote Joshua Off - Now He's The Division's Governor!"

-- Hearn

 

Huh???...

1st of All, YOU Pulled This Fury-Wilder Scorecard Shit Out of Your Ass Based On YOUR Belief Joshua Could Beat Fury in the Same Manner He Beat Ruiz...YOU Said Fury "Didn't Do Shit" in the Early Rounds vs. Wilder, Which Prompted REED's Response...

To Be CLEAR, Fights are INTENDED to Be Scored Based On CLEAN Punches and EFFECTIVE Aggression...That's THE Most Important Criteria, Period...But In the ABSENCE of Such, Which You and REED BOTH Admit WAS the Case Early Rounds of Fury-Wilder, DEFENSE and RING GENERALSHIP Must Be Factored In Also...

If Not, You'll Have Judges Turning In Cards w/4, 5 or More EVEN Rounds Every Damn Fight...And Those Judges WILL NOT Be Employed for Very Looooooong...

The Fighters CONTROL the Fight, Not Preconceived Notions...If a Slick Cutey Stands Toe to Toe w/a Banger and Lands MORE Clean, Effective Punches Guess What, the Cutey Wins the Round!!...The Slick Cutey ISN'T Beholden to His Style, Nor is the Banger Precluded From or Punished for Deviating from the Manner of Fighting He's Known For...Hearns-Leonard I is a SHINING Example of This...

You’re saying that whether you, the viewer, has seen the boxers in other fights before their fight has a direct effect on what’s happening in the ring.

Nope, REED's Saying Having Previously Seen the Boxers Can Have an Effect on Scoring When NATHAN ELSE Is Happening in a Particular Round...The Early Rounds of Fury-Wilder were Fought @ a Tyson Fury Pace/Tempo...Wilder TRIED to Hit Fury and Missed Terribly More Times Than Not...Wilder DIDN'T Land Clean Punches and was INEFFECTIVELY Aggressive, So HOW Could You Score Early Rounds for Him???...

Anyone That PREVIOUSLY Saw Fury In Action Said To Themselves, "That's HOW Tyson Fury Fights, That's a Tyson Fury Type of Round" After Most of the Early Stanzas...In the ABSENCE of Clean Punching and Effective Aggression, Fury Won Most of the Early Rounds Based on Defense and Ring Generalship...

It's NOT a Difficult Concept to Grasp...ANYBODY Claiming To ERASE a Guys Preferred Manner of Fighting from their Minds, While Watching that Guy Fight, Is LYING...It's HUMANfuckingNATURE...






REED

 

Boring fight. Reminded me of Lewis Tua.

 

I agree being fat is on Ruiz and not his trainers.

Ruiz needed to do something different, though. He never shifted gears, never changed things up, never took any real chances.

He has similar skills as James Toney (the heavyweight) and Toney generally was able to land punches and make things happen. Instead, Ruiz resolved himself to fighting like David Tua.

And we ended up watching Lennox vs Tua II.

It's just one fight, though. Each chose a strategy and neither changed even when it appeared a change could be justified. Since Joshua won and won easily, the ultimate blame is on Ruiz, but Ruiz managed to not get hurt, not get stopped, and not embarrass himself. Joshua got all of his belts back, provided evidence of being able to do something different, and got through what is often the downfall of many, many fighters coming off of their first loss and not losing again.

 

I never said anything about Joshua beating Fury like he beat Ruiz. Actually I said that’s an absurd idea and that I could see Joshua out punching him, not outboxing him. I’m sure the idea of a guy out punching the boxer and winning a decision blows your mind.

All you’re really doing is admitting you’re biased towards defensive boxers and saying you’ll give them rounds for doing nothing if they have a reputation for it.

 

Ring generalship is indeed a tricky criteria. Basically it means that you get the other guy fight on your terms, but how do we know which tactics they choose to use? Even if we know their reputations, how do we know they haven't chosen a different strategy to that particular fight?

The way I interpret the rules is that we must rate defense too, since it is a scoring criteria. Thus if neither guy lands punches (or they land equal amount with equal efficiency) the guy who blocks and slips more is the winner.

If the aggressor doesn't land but forces the other guy to hold and run , he wins. If the defensive guy blocks and slips the shots and makes the aggressor lose his balance, he wins.

This is why IMO Fury won the early rounds against Wilder. Joshua beat Ruiz because he landed more and ring generalship didn't come to play at all.

I am not sure this scoring system is the best one, but that's how the RULES have it. If you pull a terp and argue how rules SHOULD be, it is a different matter entirely

 

No, REED Said WHAT He Said...

REED Was CRYSTAL Clear in His Wording for a Reason and it's NOT His Fault Trolling Fucks Like You, Carrying 15 Years Worth of Messageboard Baggage CAN'T Comprehend...





REED

 

Please don't ever overrate that fucking bum again by mentioning him in the same sentence as James Toney.

I told yall from the jump that Ruiz was an obese bum. But "ooohhhhh, look at his combos!"

He's trash.

 

OH HAIDER!!!

 

But how do you school a kid too fat to fit in the school gate in the first place?

I think he outclassed him and totally outboxed him.

But only because Ruiz simply physically couldn't cope rather than intellectually failed.

It's not like Ruiz didn't know what to do. He'd simply precluded himself from doing it.

 

And yes, there are millions of people in England who actually believe this shit.

fighting scared so as to survive against an even worse version of a guy you should have beaten the first time is now progress, rather than just getting back to square 1.

 

Guy sounds like he never did a spot of exercise in his life and smokes 40 camels a day.

 

Roy mercifully sounds healthy enough,

 

People annoying Mike.

 

Watch the Video and Find Out....





REED

 

Wow. He really was short of breath just from talking.

 

This. With bit more advertising REED would have much more following, the stuff is good

 

Joshua definitely looked better lighter. But as Bernatd Hopkins might say he's still.only half a fighter- he literally cant throw shots moving to his right. Circles left punching until he runs into a culdesac then backs off and awkwardly circles/runs to his right until hes created enough space to circle left and resume fighting. Fury will exploit that weakness the way hopkins and winky exploited it in Tito and Josh will get utterly shut down and humiliated.

 

Joshua v Whyte II in the works already.

 

I heard pulev. Whyte would be much better tho

 

I heard Usyk, apparently he is mandatory?

 

It´s the BBC so take everything with a large pinch of salt:
Anthony Joshua could face Dillian Whyte next - 5 Live Boxing

 

Hearn himself mentioned pulev,who is ibf mandatory. Hopefully the ibf can be fobbed off, thats a dud fight