VERGIL ORTIZ vs ANTONIO OROZCO

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  1. Dog Jones

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    Cotto Wasn't a 1-Handed Fighter Either...He Got MORE Out of his Right Hand Than Dela Did, for Example...

    Didn't Mean to Ruffle the Feathers of the Comparison NAZI'S, But Ortiz Made the Reference HIMSELF...And There IS a SURFACE Similarity; High Guard, Chin Tucked, Variety of Shots, Never Neglecting the Body, etc...





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    agREED...

    Fundamentally, Ortiz's Defense is Sound But There's Risk/Reward Based on How Aggressively You Want to Engage Your Opponent...







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    Basically a 50-50 Fight in REED's Opinion...He'd Even LEAN Towards Vergil, Honestly, But Not By Tooooo Terribly Much...

    A TRUE 53.35917 - 46.64083 Fight...






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    By the Time Ortiz is "Ready" to BEAT Spence @ '47 (As Opposed to Merely Sharing the Same Ring w/Him), EJ will Have Already Out Grown the Division...

    Can't See Spence Staying @ Welter Beyond 2020...






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    who wins Ortiz jr vs Jaron Ennis, right now?
     
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    Ennis looks like the truth to me, but Ortiz is fighting the better comp.

    Ennis doesn't have the same backing, but might end up being better.
     
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    Hard to Say...

    Ennis' Record is More PADDED For Sure, Yet His Talent/Potential is Also OBVIOUS...

    Just Like Thurman, Porter and Garcia Made Spence Wait, All 4 of Them Would Make Ortiz and Ennis Wait, As Would Pacquiao and Crawford...They'll Figure Out Who's the King of THEIR Particular Hill Before Entertaining the Next Wave of Welters, if @ All...

    If Matched and Moved Properly, Ortiz vs. Ennis Could Be the Next "Spence vs Crawford" Level Fight @ '47, In Terms of Intrigue and Varying Opinions on WHO'D Win....

    If/When They Fight, it Needs to Be FOR Something Though...And Right Now, All the Belts Are Pretty Much Tied Up in the Division...







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    Bruh, even handed means EQUAL power in both hands. Cmonnnn you know that.

    Tyson, Jackson, Robinson, Rosario, Trinidad, all are examples of EVEN HANDED punchers.

    Cotto was not even handed. His right hand was average.
     
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    Teofimo is dropping.

    Right now, Ortiz, Ennis, and Haney all look more promising.

    Teo needs to get his shit together.
     
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    2020 needs to be a step up year for Ennis.

    22 fights against scrubs is more than enough.

    We need to find out in the next year if he's the goods or not.
     
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    Ortiz is gonna be a junior middleweight one day, without question.

    I dunno if he has the frame for 160, but he'll definitely pick up a belt at 154 someday.
     
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    Not Necessarily...

    "Even Handed Puncher", "2-Fisted Puncher" Also Speaks to a Fighter's Capacity to HURT an Opponent w/Either Hand, Whether he Punched Harder w/a Particular Hand or Not...

    "Cmonnnn you KNOW That!"...






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    REED, why are Vergel's chances better against Thurman than Garcia?
     
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    I didn't view REED's vid, but I agree.

    It's because Thurman is more hurtable than Garcia, and because the only form of defense Thurman ever had came by way of his athleticism.

    Now that his athleticism has badly declined, he's very hittable and without the best chin.

    It's a winnable fight for Ortiz.... maybe pretty soon.

    Thurman is a shell of what he was 5 years ago.
     
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    That Erik Bazinyan looks like he might be legit. Only 24. Looks like he could be a player at 168.

    That right KO was similar to Michael Spinks' right hand KO of David Sears.
     
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    OMG. He talks just like LeMoo.
     
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  19. Double L

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    What is name of that fighter whose opponent passed away recently? The guy who passed away was a Russian.
     
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    this card has been very good so far
     
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    Agree
     
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    I don't think this Bek kid is going far.
     
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    Dont like his punching technique
     
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    V. Alexander is a hunter.
     
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    The Alexander family is boring to watch. Despite their completely different styles
     
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    I think bek can go far. Seems tough. Great condition. Great feet.
     
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    Whenever a fighter makes his opponent throw less than 15 punches in a round, it's a good sign he is top notch.
     
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    Danny's Remained Relatively Active, Comparatively, DIDN'T Lose His Nuts/Will/Hunger the Way Thurman Has and DOESN'T Have a Glaring Weakness the Likes of Thurman's GLASS BODY...

    Danny's Still IN His Prime Whereas Thurman Wasted the Remainder of His, "Injured"...





    REED:Hammer
     
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    Did DAZN can that queer LZ Granderson?
     
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    i think vergil would lay a whipping on garcia.

    in other news machado is softer than puppy shit
     
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