Money making ingredients in boxing

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  1. BOSS

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    UNDEFEATED RECORD

    Boxing much moreso than mma cares about that zero. They are in love with the idea of this unbeatable fighting machine. So once you lose that 0 your stock PLUNGES. The zero makes people tune in to see greatness succeed. On the flip side it also makes the "haters" tune in to see greatness fall. Either way makes them tune in. Being Undefeated is incredibly important in boxing.

    ACTUAL EXTRAORDINARY TALENT
    The zero looks cool until you step up and get exposed. You need to actually be great at what you do. People love being part of history and watching special people do their thing.

    PERSONALITY/CHARISMA/TRASH TALK. You need to have a captivating personality. Make them love you or hate you. Doesn't matter which. Both are the strongest of emotions and as long as they care one way or another they will watch.

    ABILITY TO SPEAK ENGLISH.
    Crucial! Too many of these idiots don't know the language and miss out on ton of money because they can't speak English. I can't stress this enough. English is the difference between being a talented athlete and a MEGA STAR.

    KO POWER.
    People love knock outs. The idea of the fight ending at any given time is incredibly exciting.

    DANCE PARTNERS
    If you're in a division riddled with bums who stand no chance against you the excitement will fizzle out. You need noteworthy challengers. And your challengers need to have charisma to sell the challenge too.


    Am I forgetting something?

    Example Roy Jones. Had the 0. Had the talent. Spoke English. Had ko power. HOWEVER no charisma nor personality and no dance partners. Thus never became a mega star.

    Floyd. Had the 0. Had the talent. Spoke English. Had that easily to hate personality. No ko power and say what you will but did have dance partners. = mega star
     
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    Good list. Just a couple of thoughts to add.

    Even more important than talent is the style. Usually you have to show courage to captivate the crowds, either by dropping hands, clowning, daring the opponent to come at you (Ali, Hamed etc style) or by being an all-out aggressor who looks like they are ready to get hit to blast their opponents out. Calculating, methodical fighters rarely become superstars.

    The personality has also a lot to do with the culture. Julio Cesar Chavez wouldn't have been as big a star if he was an American and spoke English. His charisma was just what captivated the Mexican crowds, a patriotic macho guy who came from poor background, willing to suffer for his success. ODLH never gained similar type of popularity over there.

    Also, it seems that Instagram and social media and all the crap that comes with it is more important than anything these days. Floyd made billions even though his fights were often boring, opponents were meh and his capabilities in English even worse
     
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    Imagine the star Chavez would have been if he spoke perfect English and had the whole Mexico behind him.
     
  4. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

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    All of the above applies to Vasyl Lomachenko, unfortunately
     
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    Loma's English is poor and personality is boring. Plus he's a little dude.
     
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    No KO power or notable fights in his division to be made, either.
     
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    Canelo Alvarez is THE Biggest Current Name in Boxing, Speaking Little to No English...




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    Social Media is Definitely the NEXT Level of Boxing Stardom...

    The ONLY Reason Adrien Broner Remains Relevant IS Social Media...Tank Davis, Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney Have Collectively Fought MAYBE 3-5 Noteworthy Opponents btwn Them, Yet All 3 Draw INSTANT Headlines and Hundreds of Thousand of Clicks and Views to Boxing Outlets Based on Social Media Presence...

    Literally, Garcia GETS PAID to Be an "Influencer" On One of Those Outlets:Jest:...

    He'll Draw a Million Views and 500,000 Comments for Posting a Video Brushing his Fucking Teeth!...And if it Turns Out he Can Actually FIGHT (Which Looks More and MORE Likely w/Each Outing) Ryan Garcia Will Be the Obvious Next Torchbearer for the Dela/Canelo/Latin Heartthrob Angle...

    He's Already Been HUGE on Social Media for Like 3 Years or More...






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    There's Plenty of Notable Fights for Loma @ '35...

    Unification w/Teofimo Lopez, a Bout w/Tank Davis (Promoted by *ahem* Floyd)...Both of Those Are PPV Worthy...Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney are There as Well and REED Just Spoke on their Social Media Presence Which Would Directly Correlate to Ticket Sales, PPV Buys, etc...

    If Loma Ran the Table on Those Names, Which he'd Be FAVORED to Do, He'd Be Right There on Canelo's Ass as THE Biggest Name in the Game...




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  10. Rich ´Money´ Mustard

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    Fair points.

    I´d favor Lomachenko to beat all of those guys...not like the previous ´make-em-quit-on-the-stool´ victories, though;
     
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    He'll EARN Those Victories for Sure, Especially Lopez, Who's THE Biggest Threat of them All in REED's Opinion...

    & He Gets the 1st Crack @ Loma...

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    I like Teofimo Lopez - but the $64,000 question (as with all boxers/sportsmen): does he (and the others mentioned) have it mentally?
     
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    REED Likes How Lopez has PURSUED this Fight...Spoke it into Existence and Intentionally Hung Around '35 FOR This Particular Fight...Teofimo's AMBITION is Legit, if NATHAN Else...

    Mentally, We Won't Know UNTIL We Know...In That Regard He'll Either Shit the Bed Completely or Show MATURITY Beyond his Years...Problem Is, he Could Exhibit all the Mental Fortitude in the World and Still LOSE a Close but Clear Decision to Loma...






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    Most of these flag-waving midgets don't. They do a lot of hiding in their gyms, in their sparring, behind their media accounts.

    One guy I am watching is Ryan Garcia. I reckon he will fold like a deckchair when the time comes. Another Ortiz.
     
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    Ditto.
    100%.

    I mean, I hope he does well but guys like this usually get derailed fast and badly...
     
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    "Show ignored content" :Jest:

    As for Ryan Garcia.........too many youtube videos and shit. Too much noise.
     
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    So much ignored content.

    Anyways............I bet Garcia disappears out of boxing having taken a few beatings.

    Basically he's a sort of Bieberish Litzau of "Hispanic" background.

    He's not hard....he's not even Oscar-hard.
     
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    The Hispanic 'Brian Flanagan' of Youtube home-boxing clips.
     
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    To make money it helps to have a sort of an instagrammy ethnic appeal, too. Some guys try it and it works. Other guys try it and it doesn't work at all. Shannon Briggs is the classic example. For years......"Let's go Champ". He got his title shot. $100,000 and a trip to the hospital. Klitschko didn't get paid a whole load either.


    They do that in 1981 and.....both dudes are probably a millionaire, back when $1m was a lot of bread.

    And it helps to be on the "right side" of things, you know, historically and ethnically and culturally. Briggs belonged to the 1990's. That fight with Klitschko belonged to the 1970's, or the 1910's.

    Same with Amir Khan. Timing was everything. He never secured the biggest fights of his generation and he never secured domestic British dominance. He got blasted in under a minute after a few fights and spent the rest of his career making packets of money trying to dodge big punches. Why? Cos he was physically brave and could be relied on to get sparked or die trying?

    You take Amir Khans performance and his resume and you ask yourself "Should this guy be getting millions a fight". The answer is "NO"....but something about the product made it lucrative.

    Look, ask yourself one thing, if JC Chavez Sr was as much a dilettante and average fool as his son was, would he have made any money in the era he fought in? Would he have even gotten paid megabucks today? He'd be dismissed like Andre Ward as just some guy who was too good for his era and fought in a mono-style, didn't speak English....."Brilliant but nobody wants to pay to see it".

    Not a hope. He would not have gotten near a title in his own era if he'd behaved like his son. No focus, no money.

    You need that tweeny-bopper appeal with kids who stare at devices all day. Or some sort of a really well packaged product which people buy into like it was a New Iphone..."This is something I SHOULD be interested in".........."Undefeated Mexican Heavyweight with REAL handspeed and a terrific punch".

    No. He's not. And he doesn't.

    JC Chavez Jr had blue hair, diuretics, jumped into swimming pools, Liev Schreiber monotones detailing his shitty daily life, beat up smaller guys, and basically parlayed all of that into a title shot....and then parlayed his one good round of C'ship boxing {against a guy who got waxed by Margarito at 147 and would go on to be waxed by former 140lbr Cotto}...into future big fights {Canelo, Jacobs, Fonfara}.... and because of that casual appeal {via his father, ironically} blue hair, pee-tablets.....he probably made his dime in a far more efficacious fashion than his dad....with a fraction of the fights.

    Nobody would give a fuck about Ray Mancini or his injured dad or his shitty rust belt existence. That shit might have sold in 1983. Fuck it he killed a man and it still didn't sell huge. Today killing a man gets you a Kovalev reputation and packets of money. Chris Eubank Sr would be vaunted. Yet his son, who can't even kill time, adopts some phony scowling monosyllabic patois and get's far far easier money. He uploads videos of himself hitting the pads and kids are like "This is real".

    Nobody stares into a device or buys PPV subs because you are fastidiously balancing the books with your shitty pay-cheques or going to school at night or you have a story about hollowed-out steel towns in the Mid-West.

    Did it make Kelly Pavilk $30m a fight?

    But Ryan Garcia buys a fucking reflex bag, shoots a few movies in his garage, puts them on youtube, has Ngannou over to hit the body-belt with, makes noises into the camera, has Canelo over to take a few be-steroided shits in the toilet of his gym, and hey, dude is a star. He's a star because today a brylcreem bum with some flash and the right name......is a star in the tweeny-grammy milieu. Because Canelo spent 5 minutes in his gym, leaning on the damn ropes, watching him run around.


    This other midget comes up from Honduras. Waves a flag. In 1980 they'd have told him about Arguello and to fuck off and come back later. But today, he's on big money.

    You got Fat Andy .........and the guys a megarich dude......because he won ONE fight and then got even fatter. If his name is Andy Schmandy and he's from Lardass Kentucky he probably doesn't even get that title shot. It's a fine line between "Undefeated Rising Star" and "Over-Protected Fat Fuck". There was a guy called Bruno Girard, an absolute no-hoper from France with 5 Ko's in 30 fights. He took a fight with undefeated dude called Byron Mitchell and literally fought this guy to a standstill.

    He got paid $20,000. Ring Magazine said he didn't deserve the decision because he hadn't deserved the fight in the first place. He didn't punch hard. He was from France. He bled a lot very easily. All the things that made his performance all the better. But nobody pays to see that shit.

    Some guys have the right connections and get past it and get paid. Other guys just don't. Boxing, unlike any other sport, is all about management and portrayal and product--presentation. Sven Ottke had to fight 4 times to make the sort of $$$ that Choc Mundine did.

    Even Oscar at least had to have an Olympic Gold and a dead mother to dedicate it to........and he WAS legitimately good-looking at one point.
     
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