Carl Froch: Top 5 super-middleweights evah!

Picks himself at #3:

 

Good list

 

I know that Froch rubs people up the wrong way, but you need to look at his record and opposition faced and get over hos confidence.
Forget Calzaghe - he has the longest reign, but that shouldn´t be a criteria for best.

(deadpan): "the ´Son of God´"

 

I'm convinced that Froch stalks Calz's home at night.

 

I'm no fan of Froch nor Calz, so I can answer objectively... Joe would have beaten the crap outta Froch.

 

On accomplishments? Perhaps.

Head-to-head, Toney should be near the list.

Toney without question beats Froch and Kessler. I'd take him over Calz as well.

 

Terrible, terrible style match-up for Froch. Calzaghe would have made him look awful for every minute of every round.

That said, Froch has a very good argument for having achieved more than Calzaghe. His resume pisses all over Joe's from a great height.

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168 was a transient division for a long, long time. A place the best middleweights went to acclimatise briefly before moving to 175. RJJ, for example, the best fighter to fight there, but other than a great win over Toney and a handful of defences against garbagemen, he did nothing really of note there. His real greatness came at 175. James Toney himself is another example of a 'grea' fighter who achieved almost nothing at 168 other than passing through from 160 on his way to 175.

If you are ranking fighters in terms of who is 'the best fighter', he is the standout no.1. But he achieved far less at 168 than Calzaghe, Ward and Froch, who are that divison's 'greatest' three fighters based on pretty much every other metric IMO.

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With one or two major problems...........Froch would not have beaten the Hopkins Joe fought, and Joe beat Kessler going away in the end. Took him about 3-5 rounds to get that guys measure. Froch lost and was being hurt by right hands to the body. He won the rematch simply because Kessler had degenerated in the interim.

It must pain Froch to this day that he lost to a guy that Calzaghe beat.

And I'd still say that even though Froch has the better resume, he doesn't piss on Joe from a great height.

Eubank, Brewer, Mitchell, Reid, [a much much better Reid than Froch fought] Lacy, Jones, Bika, Hopkins, Kessler is inferior but not by a huge margin. I really believe that the Roy who lost to Joe might have beaten Froch. Froch just could not handle speed.

I remember when Joe was lined up to fight Glen Johnson and people were despondent. They said it was a poor opponent and Joe needed to buck up his ideas. This was on the basis of Johnson losing to Sven Ottke.

Suddenly Froch gets into a war with the guy and it's a great win for Froch. Not buying it.

Even Jermain Taylor had that bad bad knockout and another loss to Pavlik. Another 160lbr too. And he never won another big fight after Pavlik beat him.

David Starie was better than guys like Tony Dodson and Brian Magee.

He'd fought shit before he fought Pascal. He plain LOST to Dirrell.

He lost to Ward and Kessler so I don't care if he fought them 20 times. If Joe Calzaghe was beating up 160lbrs with shit punch outputs like Abraham there'd have been murder over it.

Groves? Beat Chunky. Just. Narrow narrow decision over a guy who went on to be shit himself. Great fights, great events, but hardly the stuff of great resumes. Froch was kind of exposed in both fights and he was on the verge of being stopped in the first fight. He was dropped HARD with 18 seconds left. Make that a minute and I think Froch get's iced proppah.

I give it to Froch, just, but throw in that Joe would have slapped him silly and it's really all moot.

 

Yeah. Just looked at it again. Froch was getting iced if Groves had another 10 seconds. Compare that to Joe Calzaghe eating right hands from people like Byron Mitchell and getting up to end it himself.

 

He'd have lost to the entire top 10 ever never mind coming in at #3 himself. He always did have a gigantic ego and it's a pity Calzaghe didn't put the mirror down for long enough to slap the shit out of him. Froch was a brave fighter and a great entertainer but that was based on his flaws rather than his talents......he was remarkably brave and tough..... but an enormous bell end with a gigantic opinion.

I give him credit for reducing Andre Ward to a gasping fart-bag but that doesn't propel a guy into the upper echelons of the division. Better punchers like Kovalev didn't handle Ward as well as Froch did in certain regards but that's not what boxing is based on. Kovalev beat Ward. Froch didn't.

Froch was good enough to operate at World level and he was a true World-Class fraud-exposer. He exposed Bute {who kind of had been exposed by Andrade} and he exposed Groves {who kind of had been exposed by DeGale }

But top 3? He's full of it.

 

Toney in shape would stop Froch. Too many right hands too often too cleanly. Look at the right hands that Groves and Johnson were stiffening him with.

 

Froch jab would disrupt Calzaghe rythm, and he would land the harder cleaner punchers and win clearly. Only a JC fan boy think he would beat a guy as good as Froch clearly.

 

What is this madness about Froch not handling speed? He whooped Pascal and bute, who had great speed, and hold his own against ward (who was a speed daemon).

JC probably lost to Reid and was lucky to get the dec against a geriatric Bhop (media scorecards were mostly for Bhop IIRC). It's funny how shamelessly ducking anyone with a pulse for pretty much his whole career (i still rebember the Glen Johnson fiasco) and finishing your career with an undefeated record gets you overrated by fightbeat ''experts''

 

Bute had no major speed. It was all smoke and mirrors, big Mr Hands Down, "PAH! PAH!" BS.

Pascal as a Pro fought exactly like I saw him in the amateurs, in the final of the Commonwealth Games in 2002.

Flash Harry until you put the pressure on.......he slowed down then for sure.

Ward beat the shit out of Froch until he ran out of steam {I give Froch credit for that.......he always made guys reach for their drop tanks} but Froch simply ran out of rounds.

And Calzaghe didn't just "Slap" fast, he span off fast and moved fast and thought fast. Not some flurry-master like Bute.

 

Froch took out front page ads to land that jab. He tried that shit vs Groves and when Groves was Fresh he had Froch holding his hands like he just burned them.

Make no mistake, Froch hate the loosey-goosey fighters.

 

how much KNOB can you get in the ring at one time.

 

Groves fought nothing like Calzaghe, nothing. Bute style was much more similar to JC, and we all saw how Froch ate his asshole alive.

Anyhow, the people claiming JC would have whooped Froch are the same that picked Bute to easily beat him, so their opinion doesnt hold much credibility.

 

Groves was a fast, loose fighter is what I am saying and Froch struggled...struggled both times. I don't care how well he ended the fights- Groves always had limited damage protection, and Froch was designed to find guys like that out.

Bute is the fake flash. He played the part of the big-time boxer-puncher. It's ironic. They used to say bums stayed in Europe to get titles, now they fight in Canada.

 

Bute was as Canadian as Tszyu was Australian. And i dont think you know what irony means, since there's nothing ironic in that statement

 

knob indeed

 

I agree 100% with Irish. If you look close, Froch's resume isnt all that better. And what REALLY matters is that Joe clearly beat a peak Kessler - while ole Frochy lost to a Kessler that was already on the slide.

I also agree that Toney stops Froch. Toney would have lit Froch up horribly.

 

Froch just walks onto those right hands. I mean Groves had him, HAD HIM. But for the bell.

 

If I'm being fair to Froch, I think he was getting a little long in the tooth by time he fought Groves.

But he was in his prime when he fought guys like Pascal, and Taylor, and they hit him plenty!

The Toney that beat up Barkley and Charles Williams would give Froch an epic ass whuppin.

 

Oh and I don't wanna hear all the bullshit Froch spouts about "Kessler was injured going into the Calzaghe fight." Give me a break!

Look, I like Kessler, but if you have an injury going into the biggest fight of your career - POSTPONE the fucking fight!

 

He didn't look too injured when he lead at the halfway point.

Calzaghe figured him out.

 

Let´s be honest though - this division has always been about insecure, mouthy cunts:










All of them Brits.
All of them cunts.

 

How could one forget?

Probably the biggest under-achiever mouthy, Brit super-middle twat:

 

DeFail accomplished about as much as he was capable of.

He actually did very well for a guy with ZERO skill and brains.

 

Notice though, how virtually NONE of the super-middleweights I posted pics of above are on the skill or boxing-IQ level of guys like Ward, Spence, Canelo, Golovkin, Crawford, (just off the top of my head): they´re mostly brawler/tear-up merchants with a decent chin and big mouths / bigger egos.