Roy's perfect boxer

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  1. Xplosive

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    Roy gave his opinion of what would make the perfect boxer:

    Power- Hearns
    Handspeed - Leonard
    Quickness - Gary Russell
    Athleticism- Himself
    Accuracy - Chavez
    Ring IQ - Sanchez
    Defense - Benitez
    Size - Ali
    Reflexes - Ali
    Discipline - Hagler

    Thoughts?

    I admire that he was humble enough not to pick himself in multiple categories, cause really, he could have picked himself in handspeed and quickness and he wouldn't have been wrong.
     
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    i don't get the size category, and espcially not since he chose Ali
     
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    I'd take Joe Louis for accuracy.

    They didn't ask about chin and heart?
     
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    Maybe he feels Ali's size is an ideal one? i.e.: he's big without being cumbersome.
     
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    but even then, that's combining other categories. A 7 feet tall behemot that has all the attributes that Ali had would obviously be better than the real Ali
     
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    He is right
     
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    for jones jr's skill set im sure he wished he was 5 inches taller and 30 to 40 pounds heavier, while maintaining speed and reflexes
     
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    Really surprised Gary Russell somehow made his way onto the list
     
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    I've seen much worse from boxers, so he's doing well in terms of every answer being somewhat arguable. My own would be, keeping in mind this is as me, and I'm ambidextrous who tries to fight like an aggressive Hagler/Tyson combo:

    Power- Julian Jackson
    Handspeed - Fighting Harada
    Quickness - Midget Wolgast*
    Athleticism- Roy Jones Jr
    Accuracy - Joe Louis
    Ring IQ - Roberto Duran
    Defense - Gerry Penalosa
    Size - Mine (5'10, 76', 168lbs)
    Reflexes - Pernell Whitaker
    Discipline - Marvin Hagler

    *I'm assuming this is foot speed.
     
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    What exactly is his distinction between hand speed and quickness? Gary Russell has extremely fast hands but nothing else that stands out as especially quick. His feet are fairly stationary and his defensive reflexes don’t stand out. Yet he’s the choice for “quickness “ and not “hand speed”? Seems like a pointless category.

    I didn’t even realize there was an entirely separate category for reflexes. Now it truly is pointless. An athleticism cat seems superfluous now, too.
     
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    Personally, I would have gone with either Whitaker or Floyd in terms of defensive skill, and Benitez in reflexes. Maybe even Miguel Canto in defensive skill, since Whitaker broke some rules but go away with it in his prime.

    Ali had the most flashy reflexes, but Benitez had the best reflexes I've ever seen.

    And yeah, "quickness" made no sense, but perhaps Roy was just working with the questions he was given.

    Or maybe he built the list himself. Its unclear.

    I certainly think Roy had the fastest hands of all time... but you can't go wrong with picking Leonard in that department.

    Power? I'd easily go with Jackson.

    Ring IQ? I would have gone with either Duran or Carlos Ortiz. Both had a higher ring IQ than Sal.
     
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    Roy is a pretty big Sanchez fan so it's not surprising he found somewhere on that list to place him.
     
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    Yeah, Sanchez is his idol. Its no secret.
     
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    As would I. While he was obviously a great defensive fighter that was more down due to reflexes than skill.
     
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    Roy didn't complete the list, but ill add a few more.

    Chin - Hagler
    Stamina - Pedroza
    Heart - Saad Muhammad
    Killer instinct - Leonard
     
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    I may have gone Saldivar for stamina.

    Can't go wrong with either.
     
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    Yeah, either for stamina. You might in fact be right with going Saldivar. His engine was insane.
     
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    I tought it was McCallum
     
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    If you ask Roy about boxing history, he won't go a sentence without mentioning Sanchez. He loves Sanchez.

    He also said on Joe Rogan's podcast that his all time fantasy fight would be Sanchez vs Pedroza.
     
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    I'll do one that's much simpler. Just to make it easier I would combine the best assets of 2 fighters.
    Combine Thomas Hearns (height, reach, power, boxing ability, jab) and James Toney (counterpunching, chin, defense, combinations).

    Combine Ricardo Lopez (defense, boxing ability, jab, counterpunching, footwork, power) and Roman Gonzalez (aggression, pressure, combinations, infighting, nonstop punching, stamina)
     
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    Power- Julian Jackson
    Handspeed - Meldrick Taylor
    Athleticism- Roy Jones Jr
    Accuracy - Joe Louis
    Jab - Tommy Hearns
    Counterpunching - JMM
    Aggression - Roberto Duran
    Defense - Willie Pep
    Reflexes - Pernell Whitaker
    Chin - Marvin Hagler
     
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    You can't go wrong with either Louis or Arguello in accuracy.
     
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    Rather than starting a new thread what would you guys have as a list for currently active fighters?
     
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    The perfect boxer was already built:

     
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    Indeed, he was. :D

     
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