Which fighter improved the most after changing trainer? Id expect a lot of person would say pacman with roach, but I'm not sure if that's the case. Pacman looked like pacman against Ledwaba, and he was with Roach for a full hour for thst fight. Lewis woth Steward seems like a better pick
I don't think there has ever been a real transformation when it comes to an established pro boxer, but when De La Hoya worked with Floyd Sr there were some noticeable differences. He appeared slightly more comfortable with less movement which probably helped his not so great stamina when he was operating at a higher weight. A bit more effective use of the right hand too. ODLH went through a lot of trainers though. Whether or not Floyd improved him a whole lot is a different story.
I haven't seen any of his early fights but apparently Frazier was more of a boxer type and Futch turned him into the bob and weave pressure fighter he became.
He also talked a lot of trash before Hatton-Pacquiao. Went after Roach a bit as well. Freddie downplayed the side show and said it wasn't about them, he simply had the better fighter. Very true.
From the Gatti fight up until Mayorga. Foreman was ripping on Floyd Sr during the Vargas fight. “Oscar is going to go back to the days when he had good trainers” After the fight ended “You can credit Alcazar and those other trainers”
Pacquiao improved under Roach, but the changes weren't immediate. I'd say the 2nd Morales fight is where the improvements first began to manifest.
That's nonsense, Pac fought flatfooted and with his back to the ropes for stretches of the Cotto fight, and he absolutely MURDERED Thurman with his right hook.
And to answer the thread question: -Maidana after he teamed with Robert Garcia. -Holyfield when he trained with Steward for the Bowe rematch. Basilio became a much improved technician after Dundee was brought into his camp. I'd also argue Michael Moorer when he switched to Teddy Atlas - he shifted from a "bombs away" slugger to a more cautious and economic boxer IMO.
I absolutely dont rebember this. Never rewatched cotto pacman, but from my memory, pacquiao was pretty much fighting like the energizer bunny the whole fight (his usual style)
This is true, I think. If you watch him against Bonavena in 1966, the year Futch came into Frazier's camp his whole stance is different, he uses his jab more and fights more square on, whereas in later fights and certainly by the time he met Jerry Quary in 1969, he is bobbing and weaving more to come inside and his body is shaped to throw that left hook. When I saw the Bonavena fight my first reaction was 'That's Joe Frazier?' because his style was so different from what I was used to. Just checked back on my notes for that fight and I wrote the following: "Joe used his jab well to set up his offense and used his right hand effectively, not overusing the left hook." So I think that tells you the difference.
Never heard about this. Really interesting,and ill probably check a few Frazier fights to see it by my own eyes
These are the earliest fights of Frazier I've seen, against Dick Wipperman and Billy Daniels (his 6th and 11th pro fights, respectively). You can see he has much more of a tendency to stand upright and shoot for the head from the outside.
I believe Glen Johnson teamed up with Orlando Cuellar sometime around 2002-2003, which coincides with his drastic shift from an economic boxer/sharpshooter to a swarming infighter.
Didn't watch the 2nd one but in the 1st fight, I don't think he looks very different from ''Frazier'', just like a mediocre version of himself
The third Morales fight up until the Cotto fight was Pacquiao's absolute peak IMO. Those nine fights or so he was truly spectacular.
I've always said the same, except I would extend Pac's peak for one more fight (Clottey). I think the body shots he took from Margarito up at 154 may have taken something out of him.
