Nigel Benn vs Rubin Carter

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  1. Xplosive

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    Who wins? Both huge punchers. Carter had much better technique, and threw shorter, more compact shots. He also had a better chin. Benn had the edge in intangibles. Which would be the difference?
     
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    Good question. Both men susceptible to boxers with good chins.

    Benn is slightly bigger. Carters best win is over........a former WW.

    He did go 10 rounds with Dick Tiger but Tiger by all accounts beat him like a drum.

    I'd give it to Benn. Probably goes the distance. Split decision.
     
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    You look at Carters two best wins: 1 round KO over Fernandez and Carter.

    I have feeling he goes for it early, and, if/when he doesn't get it, the fight becomes more and more Benns fight as it draws on.

    I'd have Benn at the end.
     
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    Yeah, a deep waters war does favor Benn. But the possibility of Carter icing him early is very real.
     
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    Fernandez has terribly skinny legs- and he's shook up by a fairly average right hand. Maybe Fullmer took his chin.

     
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    We have to presume that Benn comes in knowing about the threat of a first round KO.

    But that's not how it works in real life.

    It's only after the day is done that we are able to look back and paint a picture of strengths, weaknesses, likelihoods etc.

    In real life, Benn might fall victim to the early round KO.
     
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    I'd take Benn in a shoot-out. For me, Carter is mainly just a smaller, less explosive McClellan. Albeit, a less flawed one, but I think Gerald was better and Benn was good enough to beat Ruben.
     
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    In fairness, that former welter was a far better middleweight than any Benn beat.
     
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    At middle, yes. But then again this is really a question of who is HARDER, not better. It's worth noting that Carters two best wins came in the opening round. And I doubt Carter will hit him any harder in that opening round than McClellan did.

    But there is a whole back story to that too. Benn had been pushed back into the ring- inadvertently- by the press corps, and that was grounds for a DQ.

    And McCellan had wrapped his own hands. His whole corner was Don King joke.

    A guy called Kevin Mitchell wrote a book about that very fight and he opined that there is a world of difference between properly and improperly wrapped hands. One protects the hand , the other protects it and turns it into a wrecking ball.

    Really, McClellan should have bombed Benn out. His entire life turned on that opening round. At the end of it, he got hit behind the ear and something left him, went out of him.
     
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    Kevin Mitchell, as in the fighter?? Or is that a case of their being thoughts of guys with common names, like Joe Brown or Callum Smith?

    And yeah, his entire life literally depending on that opening round. If it was stopped or he was DQd, he'd still be pitting rottweilers and bulldogs vs chiwawas and sausage dogs.

    But anyway, I agree. I don't think G-Man was a lesser puncher than Carter, quite the opposite. But I would add, McClellan at that point had reclined in skills (and was probably never as good as Carter in that department anyway) and was miles behind him in stamina. I think he has a better chance at winning in the late rounds than Gerald ever did, especially at middleweight.

    And I think Griffith would beat Benn, McClellan and was a far better middleweight than anyone either beat.
     
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    If they fought 10 times, I think 6 times Benn would drown Carter for a late stoppage.

    The other 4 meetings, Carter would blast Benn inside of 5.
     
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    Something that I think is being overlooked here is that Benn was much less of a strategist and more of a frontrunner himself at 160 as compared to 168. Look at how wildly he came out swinging vs. Barkley, or how he burned himself out vs. Watson.

    My feeling is that Benn comes out swinging vs. Carter, but runs into one of Carter's shorter, straighter punches and ends up stopped.
     
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