Greater/Better: Trinidad vs Tszyu

Is this much of a question, or is it too lopsided?

 

Trinidad for both, in a landslide

 

Trinidad would never lose to Cool Vince Phillips so he's greater by default

 

Trinidad Would Never Resort to Telling Jim Gray "Please Do Not Be Rude to Me", for Asking When He Planned on Rematching Vince Phillips Either...

Despite Getting Stopped, it's NOT as if Tszyu Got His Ass Whupped; It was a COMPETITIVE Fight...Left a Bad Taste in the Mouths of MANY Boxing Fans that Tszyu Wouldn't Even CONSIDER Revisiting Vince Phillips...

Which is a Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Cry from the AMBITION Trinidad Exhibited, Going from Dela to Reid to Vargas to Joppy to BHop...And Had Tito Beaten Bernard, He was Planning on Moving Up to Face Roy @ '68...

Trinidad DARED to Be Great and Was Better/Greater Than Kostya Tszyu...





REED

 

Exactly, I'm not a Trinidad fan, but he had the willingness and drive to prove himself the world best, no matter the odds. Tszyu, on the other hand, was quite happy being the big fish in a small pond.

 

I'm not a Trinidad fight either. I'd love to be the Vargas fight, though.

 

Seems a bit one sided, this one. I'd be curious to hear somebody make a case for Tszyu

 

Tszyu never needed a suspect ring to win a world title?

 

Tszyu never stacked his handwraps...

 

Please, please, please don't get Doub started today

 

Tszyu had an absurd pony tail

 

Tito for both. ‘Greatness’ is a landslide but ‘Better’ is alot closer than most are suggesting.

 

I'm not a Trinidad fan for the same reason I'm not a Chavez fan. Both Chavez and Trinidad were promoted by the dirtiest promoter(King). Chavez had a questionable draw to Whittiker , and the worst stoppage by a ref in the Taylor fight.
So when you consider Trinidad's most important win was a gift decision against Dela Hoya. I dont count Vargas because he was rushed, droopy eyed Reed was overrated, Joppy was a horrible champion and Hopkins schooled him. I like Tzyu because he had a legit win against the second best guy in his division. Took care of business when he needed to without any contraversy. Overrall I like Kostya Tzyu on this one.

 

He moved up in weight because he had loaded gloves. Once Hopkins caught him cheating he was never the same again. Or maybe was a really great fighter.

 

Even when they were active, it was an exception to see someone ranking Tszyu over Tito. Unfortunately for him, Tszyu stayed in his lane and never really dared to be great. Talent wise, they might have been comparable but achievements speak louder than what ifs so there’s no doubt Tito was greater than Tszyu. And since he proved much more in the ring, it’s hard to not consider him better as well.

 

Im not sure Tzyu could move up he was like 5"4

 

Avenging his losses, or at least trying to get a rematch, would have been possible without moving up.

 

Tszyu best wins are probably Sharmba Mitchell, Judah and MAG. His resume is much too shallow to put him above Trinidad

 

The Prosecution rests.

 

Thats true but keep in mind that Floyd decided to fight Gatti when Kostya was recognized as the "champion" at 140. It was one of those situations where had Floyd faced Tzyu it would have been a high risk low reward. Tzyu wasnt a ppv star like Gatti. Imagine how different his legacy wouldve been had Floyd faced the best guy at 140? Not saying he would beat Floyd but he did manage to pull off an upset once against Judah. Tzyu's frame didnt give him the luxury to move up several weight classes like Trinidad so I cant penalize him for that. What holds more weight being a dominant champ in your own weight class or move up a beat mediocre competition? I think Tito gets way too much credit for moving up and beating Vargas, Reed and Joppy. None of them were remotely great fighters. Then got completely outclassed by Hopkins. And pretty much retired after he got caught cheating. Leaves a lot of unanswered question. Tito was a fun fighter but a limited one dimensional fighter.

 

Tszyu had zero interest in facing Floyd. Never ever uttered his name.

Floyd expressed multiple times that he wanted Tszyu.

 

Floyd said he always fought the best then turned around and fought Gatti when Tzyu was the man at 140. Floyd was a ppv superstar. If he really wanted the fight.... all he had to do was ask for it.

 

but tszyu never called guy out by name

 

As usual, you demonstrate you know nothing.

Floyd was a PPV star in 05??? LMAO!!

Gatti was Floyd's first PPV headliner, genius. Oscar made Floyd into a PPV star in 07.

Pre-DLH, Floyd was still primarily only known by hardcores.

And Tszyu fought Hatton in the same month that Floyd fought Gatti. Hatton & Tszyu were both with Showtime, while Floyd & Gatti were both with HBO.

Floyd-Tszyu wasn't a huge enough matchup for the networks to work together.

 

So wich is it Tzyu didnt want no part of Floyd or the networks(showtime/hbo)? Apples and oranges . And to say that pre De La Hoya Floyd was only known by hardcores is silly. I was actually at the MGM for Corrales vs Mayweather and I can tell first hand the buzz around that fight during fight week was huge. Even back then Mayweather was a household name. Mayweather was an hbo fighter so anybody with cable had heard of floyd even the casuals. Kostya wasnt popular except with his niche group of Aussie fans who travelled half way across the world to see him. So without getting into semantics about how much of a ppv star floyd was was back then...wether he was money floyd or just pretty boy floyd... lets just say for the sake of argument he was the A side and a good enough draw to get a ppv fight with Gatti. Now I could be wrong but i believe had floyd really wanted the fight all he had to do was ask. So its not unthinkable that Floyd ducked Tzyu. It wouldnt be the first or last time Floyd cherry picked an opponent as history has shown.

 

Ok so we have to credit Tszyu for a potential upset in a potential fight against a guy he never got close to fighting? And then we have to discount Tito’s wins above WW because Tszyu wasn’t built for moving up (which is ridiculous considering many fighters with the same built as Tszyu fought at WW and SWW)? On top of that let’s discount the fact Tito reigned pretty much as long at WW as Tszyu did at JWW (without losing to a journeyman)….

Quite a case you’re building here man!

And BTW if Vargas, Joppy and Reid were unworthy opponents, what does it say of Judah and Mitchell?

As for your cheating comment, it’s ridiculous. All of this was about a technicality on the subject of gauze and tape layers. It’s not as if they found a metal plate under Tito’s wraps. And we’ve been over that many times. It’s a non issue brought up by people with weak arguments.

 

your evidence against any real issue is here say from boxing insiders that lack objectivity

 

But you, on the other hand, are a paragon of objectivity of course!