Fury vs Usyk

Assuming Fury wins the trilogy fight with Wilder, how do you see the unification fight going?

 

I'll answer after Oct. 9. Beyonce is dangerous.

 

I'd make Fury the solid favorite over Usyk despite of what happens against Wilder, unless he loses his marbles again.

 

How's that possible, since Wilder can't fight?

 

Fury doesn't seem as up for this one, and Wilder can punch.

 

Likewise I'd like to have a look at Fury first. He's his own worst enemy.

 

Fury quite comfortably

 

It's really easy, Ugo, as well you know.

Wilder is unbelievably basic but he has proper, actual, ktfo power. He could be embarrassed for every minute of every round until he lands one bomb, which could be fight changing.

Boxing history is littered with limited fighters who pulled it out oft he bag with the big boom.

You know this well.

MTF

 

Ugo often just says shit just to say it. I said Wilder can't fight... he can't. I never once in my life denied that Wilder is one of the biggest punchers in heavyweight history.

He was trying to get me with a "Gotcha" moment, but it didn't work.

 

If a fighter has a very legit chance of beating a fighter as good as Fury, then this fighter must be good at fighting. That's my only point here.

Of course I knew what X meant, but I don't agree. To me, this distinction where a fighter who wins with technique can fight but a fighter who wins by KO can't, is puzzling.

 

If Wilder does win then would that be the first time a heavyweight puncher regained the title against a "boxer" he'd previously lost to?

I'm not sure I can think of many examples in any division. Zale/Graziano 2 perhaps, if Zale is the "boxer".

Any more?

 

If Wilder were to win it would probably be the biggest turnaround I've seen in a rematch where the previous fight was so one-sided.

 

I concur on seeing what version of Fury fights Wilder. There's no heavyweight out there who fights often enough to provide a consistent level of performance that you can trust and make confident predictions. And Fury is the worst of them in that regard.

 

fury still won ten rounds when he wasnt in peak condition vs wilder. either you are banking on wilder somehow showing some marked improvement in his late 30s, or fury showing up in worse condition than that the first fight if you expect wilder to win.

 

Its Fury. He has the potential to burn the house down making coffee. He's had another domestic bust up this time with his dad who feels there's too many tossers in his camp. He hasn't fought in damn near two years and he's got a, well, tendency to be overweight.

If Fury loses it will be no surprise that Fury played a starring role.

 

his opponent hasnt fought in damn near 2 years either

 

Agreed but Wilder tends to not blow up in weight and get distracted. He's spent two years festering and believing he was railroaded with the illegal gloves. He's always in trim..... FURY probably hits 300lbs out of camp.

 

After Wilder khtfko Fury, he would face Usyk for all the belts and out-box him

 

Who knows what Usyk might be capable of at Heavyweight but right now I'd have to go with Fury without much hesitation. He's more adaptable than Joshua and knows how to fight as the bigger man, which Joshua was pretty hopeless at the other night. In the few clinches which did occur, he didn't exactly look like he could bully Usyk in them or move him around much.

Usyk doesn't always come out of the gate all that quickly (to be fair he put that right against Joshua) so if he was faced with the aggressive, confident Fury of the second Wilder bout there's a possibility he could be blown out early, albeit his chin looks decent enough at Heavy so far. But I think Fury's ring smarts, ability to fight inside (not really a strength of Joshua's) as well as his own good stamina to match Usyk's are the reassuring factors in his favour here.

 

Lol

 

The Otto Wallin fight is grounds for doubt

 

Fury can fight Southpaw too.......

AJ was showing some of the right moves against Usyk, just not often enough, and, everytime he got hit, Usyk went for a little walk.

Fury would be right after him with those big legs of his.

 

Fury is not this mythical great his fanbase pretends he is.

Let me be clear... his skills are good compared to a non-fighting palooka like Wilder.

Compared to the P4P elite like Nelo, Inoue, Usky, Bud... Fury is pretty shitty.

So no, I wouldn't discount an Usyk win.

Fury is on way too high a pedestal.

 

Im open to the idea hes improved under sugar hill (like Lennox did at Kronk) his balance, angling, jab, ring generalship etc did seem better. But too early to say

 

The thing is, Fury has above average skills combined with his huge size, and this combination is what makes him stand out. Boxing, as all sports, is about the mixture of specific skills and talent.

The same way George Foreman without his physique is nothing special in p4p sense, but because of the physique he was a formidable guy.

Results are all that matter, and how far will Fury go remains to be seen. Already he has passed all expectations several times.

 

Fury is good. He's 2-0-1 vs Wlad and Wilder. He beat up Chisora when he was a kid and Chisora was undefeated. That sounds like nothing but.... Vitali, Helenius, Usyk, White,, Haye, Parker all had their work cut out after the fact. Years and Years after the fact.

Why?

Because as Ugotz said, it's a rare blend of poise, talent, size. He's a big confident man with extensive experience.

 

Plus, in the rematch he dominated Chisora unlike anyone else. Also, Fury dominated and stopped Euro-scrub Christian Hammer, who went full rounds with Ortiz, Povetkin and Yoka and beat Price and Teper.

Not the stuff of legends by any means, but focused Fury is no joke

 

This is just it.

Its all relative.

Fury, relatively, is good.

 

The reason I omitted the Chisora rematch is because by then he'd been a bit dented, he lost three on the spin and Fury was only improving.

 

This exactly. The guy is what, 6 foot 9? A boxer that big shouldn't be able to move like that, and no other behemoth has to be fair. He's always going to look a bit awkward purely because of the sheer dimensions of the fella, but all the fundamentals are clearly in place.