Fury vs Usyk

It's a Cute PARTY TRICK Started by Teddy Atlas...

"Wilder Can't Fight"...

Wilder's LITERALLY WON 42 of 44 PRIZEFIGHTS; Fuck Do You Mean He "Can't Fight"???!!! Soooooo, If "Wilder Can't Fight", HOW/WHY Is He WINNING Fights???...

"Because He Hits Hard"...Soooo, Is Hitting Hard an Aspect of FIGHTING or NOT???...If Fights CAN and HAVE Been Won Via Hard Punching, How is It That a Guy w/1 Loss in 44 Fights, and a Knack for Hitting His Opponents w/VERY Hard Shots "Can't Fight"...

You May Not Like HOW Wilder Fights (& REED's 1st in Line as One That Sure in the Hell DOESN'T), but to Unequivocally State a 42-1-1, 41 KO's Fighter "Can't Fight" is Elitist Bullshit...

REED's Said it 1nce, He'll Say it Again; The Sport of Boxing is a RESULTS Business...Dudes That "Can't Fight" Don't Win 42 of 44 Prizefights, Sorry...

Cute Party Trick...



REED

 

It can, and will no doubt, be shrugged off as "weak era". Which I get to an extent because heavyweight especially has been really top-heavy since towards the end of the Lewis-era (I think it's more reflected across the rest of the weight divisions than people want to admit but that's for a different topic). I do think there is something to be said though for the fact Wilder's technique is SO unbelievably bad, maybe the worst I've ever seen for an "elite" fighter, yet his record is still what it is. So I can see your point about it being a results business too. He is what he is and he does what he does.

 

AJ really looked useless in there. Usyk totally outclassed him. He hasn’t improved anything or developed his game at all. McCracken deserves some blame but overall I just think that AJ isn’t all that talented.

I can’t see a rematch being any different. But I guess we’ll see.

 

I would be a bit cautious when talking about technique too, mainly because there seems to be something in boxing technique that doesn't meet even the professional eye.

I have mentioned it here before but Robert Helenius told that only after sparring with Wilder did he realize how difficult his shots are to see. The fact that Wilder has found a way to land a KO or KD shot against some fighters with clearly more traditional technique would suggest that there is something there.

In the big picture we agree. Fury with above average technique and enormous size becomes an excellent fighter. Wilder with unique and poor technique and enormous physical talent is a formidable fighter too, as we can see from his results.

 

I don’t like Wilder, don’t like the way he fights, don’t like his demeanor. But, I agree with REED, the guy has a knack for landing the money shot, no matter the skill level of his opponent. Fury looked completely out in the first fight (I’m still impressed he got up), he also found a way to knock numerous other fighters with better technique. That in itself is a proof he can fight. Yeah, he looks like a fool sometimes but even those who say he can’t fight know he’s packing an incredible punch and somewhat finds a way to land at least once during any fight. That guy can fight, ugly yes, but he can fight.

 

His technique is clearly bad, anyone who drops as many rounds as him obviously has fundamental flaws as a boxer. His power is otherworldly though, due to a myriad of reasons. He is clearly a talented athlete with fast hands, physically he has the lean frame and broad shoulders commonly associated with explosive punchers, and he overcommits MASSIVELY when throwing the right, evidenced by how comically off-balance he is whenever he misses. The other side of that obviously is that when he does land clean, all of that combines in a brutal way.

 

I realize all that and I agree that the habit of losing rounds is what separates him from other guys with unique style, such as Vitaly or Foreman.

However, as stated above, if he were completely devoid of skill, he wouldn't be able to land those shots against skillful boxers, yet he keeps doing that.

Also, I am not quite sure if he even tries to win rounds. To me it seems that his strategy is build around finding the KO shot. Separating tactics from skill isn't always easy.

That said, when all is said and done, Wilder does have poor boxing skills. But non-existent it isn't

 

To give him some credit technique-wise, he is good at using his lead hand to disguise the right. He also has a ton of heart and self-belief (or at least he did up to and including Fury II), he keeps going when many other fighters would have given up.

 

He isn't that talented but he showed he can slip and land the right hand.

If he can do that once, twice per round, he wins the fight. No way Usyk is taking 10, 12 of those right hands.

What little AJ landed he cut the mans face up and had him clinging on once.

McCracken is just useless.

There's people on youtube FFS breaking the fight down better than he did.

I mean that........people on youtube. Amateur fight fans.

 

One of the first things I said when I joined the old S/O forum was that Teddy Atlas is full of doo doo.

He is full of DOO DOO.

He's crap. He's no fucking good.

He's just a violent blowhard living off the fumes of the Mike Tyson altercation and a few Mike Moorer fights.

 

would like to see wilder vs. usyk. also, does anyone doubt that wilder would ko AJ?

 

Its been clear since the Ruiz fight that Wilder would waste AJ.

 

It's never been clear on who'd win out of Wilder and AJ.

Both have massive power, both have shit chins. One's quicker but has no skills, the other is still very quick but has good fundamentals. One can't fight going backwards, the other shits themselves going forwards.

Joshua is clearly the better fighter. Wilder is nothing but a nuclear right hand with his heart on it's sleeve.

 

AJ vs Joshua is a question of who lands first, lands best.

AJ doesn't strike me as having the self-belief right now to play that game.

He needs rebuilding. Go back to 10 rounders vs tough scrubs.

 

Wilder is a guy who's more likely to recover when badly hurt, simply because he has retard confidence. So I could see him getting rocked against AJ and recovering. On the flip side, if AJ gets nailed clean by Wilder, I see him being very fucked.

I dunno who I would call "better." Both of them are only good for this era.

The matchup favors Wilder.

 

I've always thought Wilder beats AJ, Joshua's head movement just isn't good enough and he becomes very open when he tires. AJ can certainly hurt Wilder but he doesn't seem as confident a finisher as he once was post-Ruiz, maybe even post-Wlad.

 

AJ was brought along very badly. He was unluckily lucky the way things broke "for" him. He got a lot of "lucky" breaks like that IBF title shot against an utter utter scrub, some guy on the Ricky Frazier level.

After that it was hype train and the guy was just lauded and elevated. Klitschko was a high water mark, they thought it was a bridge crossing moment but it wasn't . It was just an old man he beat.

After Ruiz I think Joshua began to have a sort of imposter syndrome set in. He sort of knew it was all too good to be true. He's been acting accordingly.

 

Joshua is a way better fighter than Wilder IMO.

 

I think wilder massacre AJ. I also think he's a better fighter, but that's hard to know for sure right now

 

There's nada that shows that though. Nothing at all. He has better technical skills, but that doesn't translate to him being "way better."

Wilder at least has one exceptional, very rare gift. He's a top 10 puncher in heavyweight history. Theres absolutely nothing exceptional about AJ. Not his skills - and he's a good puncher, but not an exceptional puncher.

Anthony Joshua is simply not very good. There is absolutely nothing about him that says he's "way better" than Wilder. NOTHING.

I think Wilder would have half killed that fat bum Ruiz.

 

Wilder didn't half kill the closest resemblance to a prime Bermaine Stiverne.

I wouldn't quite go so far to rule out a Ruiz win.

Joshua's far more proven and struggles far less with better comp than Wilder does. I have no doubt you swap their opposition and Joshua's record remains better.

 

I dont think AJ would have gotten past the Ortiz from the first Wilder fight, I truly don't.

He is totally incapable of avoiding a straight left. The Ortiz that showed up in Brooklyn that night would have stopped AJ imo.

 

Also, I believe Wilder would have iced shot ass Wlad sooner.

Color me unimpressed that AJ went life and death with Wlad in Wlad's final fight.

There is no gap between the two. If you believe there is, you're severely overrating AJ, because he's not simply not that good.

 

Wilder matches up better against greats, btw.

If you match Wilder with say, a Holmes or Lewis, there's like a 98% chance Wilder gets killed - but at least you can say, he has a slim puncher's chance.

AJ matched against greats doesn't even a puncher's chance.

I'll put it this way... as a Tyson fan, I'd be far more nervous about a young Mike facing Wilder than I would about him facing AJ.

He almost certainly destroys Wilder, but Beyonce's power makes you a bit nervous.

I would have zero fear whatsoever of a young Mike facing AJ. Mike would go through that stiff like nothing.

 

I dont think AJ believes in himself to the extent Wilder does. Wilder is too stupid to realize he isn't good - and thats actually a good quality for him to have.

AJ is more sensible, and therefore, i think he's more aware of his limitations.

 

The amazing thing is he hardly even looks awkward anymore....edit out the jiggling back fat in post-production & he's astonishingly smooth

 

AJs too civilized, too self conscious. Ever noticed when he gets buzzed he smiles. The way someome might when theyve just tripped up on a busy street or dropped a tray of drink. As if 'oh arent I a klutz - how awkward harhar'. After the loss he was walking about backstage raising his glove as if he was trying to show complete strangers he still felt good. Great Champs arent distracted by those sort of impulses.

 

AJ is a legitimately nice guy, so you do feel for him when he gets his ass kicked.

Beyonce is a deplorable human being, and if Fury turned him into Pritchard Colon on Saturday I would smile.

Sadly, Wilder has one special trait, and Joshua has 0 special traits.

 

What makes wilder such a bad human being. A few stupid interviews?

 

Breaking a regular guy's jaw on TV springs to mind.