Rank these three lunatics in terms of potential

agREED...

Undisciplined, Entitled Pothead Milking Daddy's Name > Tony Ayala Jr

VERY Sad Though, As You Stated...Instantly Made REED Take a Harder Look @ His Own "Name", Family, Legacy, etc...

NFL Hall of Famer, Randy Moss, Had Some Well Documented Legal Dustups in High School and Early College...He Said he Finally GOT IT and Matured When One Day, his Mother Sat Him Down and Said "Randy, You're Not the Only Person in this Town w/the Last Name 'Moss' "...

Even if a Person Doesn't UPLIFT Their Family Name, Per Se, Don't TARNISH It or Bring HARM to It Either...

What Do They Say in Mafia Flicks "All a Man's Got is his WORD, his NAME and his BALLS"???...





REED

 

Ike
Golota
Ayala
Valero

 

Golota had a lovely jab and some decent skills but I always thought his talent was a little overrated. He wasn't too great defensively imo.

 

Ayala was far more talented than Golota.

 

It wouldn't have mattered that much if he could properly take a punch. It's not as if he had a glass chin but he often reacted really poorly to getting hit. Not a good trait in the face-punching business.

 

Valero sucked. He had one thing in common with Harry Greb: a brilliant and willing press agent.

 

I'm not sold on the whole Greb legend but he actually defeated many great fighters of his day.

Valero had a great record, but very little in terms of resume.

 

Valero was a hype monster who perhaps was the first of the new wave of burgeoning Social-Media, high media-impact guys that we've come to know so well.

The thing about Greb is we just don't know how good he looked in a lot of the "No Decisions" as the papers would do write ups depending on what they were paid to say.

 

Valero's hype wasn't entirely unwarranted. That record of knockouts all in the first round is special even against low tier opponents. He also fought in multiple countries. It's not like his entire record was made up or the product of home town corruption.

Newspaper decision and the like are a part of what i don't buy into the whole Greb legend. That said you have to go the distance a whole for there to be a decision at all. It's also not as if all his wins were via some guy writing for a paper. He had a resume and world titles. He's quite likely overrated but he's not some Bruce Lee type myth.

 

I agree but even with a solid chin and poker face he's still getting pelted by absolute monsters. McCall had the greatest chin ever imo but he was also a master at rolling with shots, if he's taking those shots like Golota was taking, I don't care how good your chin is, you're hitting the canvas.

 

I agree, never saw the big deal with Valero. He was going to get exposed badly very soon. Bradley could have done it but Pacquiao definitely would have.

 

Oh no doubt. Just saying if Golota could have rolled with shots better it wouldn't have mattered as much because his other abilities.

 

He was sort of good at what he did, which was get the better of limited opposition in exciting fights or fights where there was a gimmick, like can the guy go 2 rounds instead of just 1 etc.

On reflection, he was a very basic slugger with a lot of gimmicks, the way the head-injury thing and being forced to fight in Japan was parlayed into some sort of "discrimination" thing, I felt that was very gimmicky and misleading.

He was running down a 1 way alley with some real fighters waiting for him at the end of it.

Once he couldn't make 135 anymore, he was going to get done a 140 by some guys who had his number.

He was treated like he was the 2nd coming of Duran. It's what certain people wanted him to be. A lot of writers and publicists feel they missed out on certain things and try to recreate them, whether the facts support it or not.

I'd have loved to see him at 140 vs Provodnikov.

 

Undoubtedly. Only points were that he was a legit fighter. Overhyped by many yes but not simply a media creation.

I posted earlier that i think it was only a matter of time before he got exposed. When i use that term i don't mean as in a "fraud" but being relegated and staying there. He was a bully with some boxing know-how and big power. Once he faced a loss i think it would have been all but over.

 

His power was legit, I won't question that, he had that kind of raw-boned power that you can feel through the TV. Saying that though there are a lot of guys throughout the years who had serious power but never lived up to the hype and I have no doubt he was on the same road.

 

That was mainly Doug Fisher/Fischer(sp?). Most boxing fans didn't think that highly of him. Even his few "fans" hedged when talking about far he would go.

 

He was definitely legit in the sense he belonged at world level, I won't argue that at all, he wasn't a Tyrone Brunson or whatever that guys name was who broke his record. He did feast on a lot of bums early on but he took on reasonable opponents towards the end.

 

Yep. Of course there are many differences but it's why so many people tune into Tank's fights. Frightening power always garners interest.

 

Yep that's the guy. I think he just wanted to believe that Valero was the next Duran and that he had the whole Chavista/Banned Unfairly mojo going on.

Anyone could see the little cunt was mental and unstable.

Anyone except Dougie.

 

Another guy whose demise is overdue.

 

The reason he is bottom of my list is because I feel he had a crutch in the form of the "they won't let me in their club"........he did impress me by fighting through a brutal cut to get a stoppage but let's face it he probably didn't even know he was cut

 

Yeah it's one of those weird things where almost everyone can see it's a matter of if, not when.

 

I will say this, I would have picked Bradley to win, but if Valero had a "Provodnikov moment", Tim wouldn't have been let off the hook.

 

Exactly, I don't get the ''Valero was nothing '' crowd. The way he annihilated Pitalura and dismantled DeMarco was super impressive. Does it mean he was heading to P4P stardom?? Of course not but he definitely was someone to keep an eye on.

Edit: Oh, I see it's mostly coming from Irish,I wonder why

 

What people don't remember is that there was a time when this kind of thing was totally unknown and unheard of.

Around 2003, 2004, and obviously post 2006 with YT this sort of thing became more common until it was abnormal to NOT have your camps and sessions aired left right and center.



I think this is why Valero became as well known as he did.........an early example of the saturation coverage that has basically been propelling a shallowing talent pool for the past 15 years.

 

I don't think El Inca would have had that sort of strength but yes Provodnikov couldn't finish a fucking sentence

 

so true.

Yeah I don't see Valero getting Bradley in the same sort of bother but IF he did, it's over. He was a vicious cunt and a good finisher.

 

Me neither but i guess that's what would be interesting about that matchup. Tim's toughness and "basic-ness" would be too much for Valero. Fun to see unfold.

 

Another huge huge wasted talent is Dave Hilton. A litttle less so than the others since he managed to win a world titke (as an undersized old man to boot) but barely condidering he never cashed in on it fue to his imprisonment right afterward. Sadly he's now mostly remembered as a plodding old man but he was Tysonesque as a young man

 

The three worst-managed, worst-handled boxers of all time.

Their moronic pig-ignorant old man ruined them.

Today, they'd be multi-multi-millionaires.

Or maybe not, considering how dumb and destructive they all seemed to have been.