Fury vs Usyk

Fine Line Between SELF BELIEF and DELUSION...

Even Though Wilder is Probably DELUSIONAL These Days, Joshua Hasn't Exhibited Genuine SELF BELIEF Since Ruiz KO'ed Him...Understandable, but the Fact Wilder REFUSES to Accept the Ass Whipping He Endured in Fury 2 Bodes Well for Him Against Joshua...

There was a Real-Time ACCEPTANCE of Defeat in Joshua's Losses that ESCAPED Wilder...

AJ Meekly Whispered Something to the Ref After Ruiz I was Stopped and Showed the Most DEFEATIST Body Language REED's Ever Seen in a DISTANCE Fight, Upon Lasting the Full 12 w/Usyk...AJ Couldn't Even PRETEND He Won, Didn't Raise an Arm or Anything...Instead, he was a Pained, RELIEVED Man Looking for his Stool, Title Belts Be Damned...

Conversely, Wilder was in a MUCH Worse State When Fury 2 was Stopped, yet He Motioned to the Ref, Then Drunkenly Staggered His Beaten, Bloodied, Battered Ass Over to Breland to Bitch about the Towel Being Thrown In...

Wilder was in a More DIRE Situation than Joshua, Yet Wilder Exhibited More "Fight" Regardless...@ THAT Point, it was ALL Mental...

Put it This Way, if Joshua Landed a Good Shot on Wilder 1st, it MIGHT Be Over...But if Wilder Landed a Good Shot on Joshua 1st, it's DEFINITELY Over...

That's the Difference...






REED

 

I would add that Wilder's athleticism means he probably lands on AJ first.

 

"Windmill" Wilder Would Actually Serve Deontay Well vs. AJ...Basically What Ruiz Did, from a Shorter/Fatter Perspective...

AJ Doesn't Fend Looping Punches Well...


REED

 

So if Wilder pulls off the upset Saturday, does anyone here pick him to out-box Usyk

 

Both are really flawed and much of their success is due to their size, yet Wilder has much more of a fighter's spirit than Joshua, this is pretty clear imo. And this, moreso than his bigger punch, is what makes him far more dangerous

 

The mascott thing? Seems like it was more a misunderstanding than malice

 

That wasn't his fault though, the animator seems to show him to either punch there or the body. Still, I do think Wilder is a bit of a pos. The way he reacted to Zelenoff's taunt, his claims of wanting to kill someone in the ring and how he threw Breland under the bus (though I understand him being pissed and sacking him) doesn't showcase him in a positive way.

 

While REED Will Agree Wilder Can Be a Certified POS, the Zelenoff Situation SHOULDN'T Be Used as an Example...EVER...

Zelenoff was a TROLL That Went Waaaaaay Toooooooooooo Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar...When You SLUR a Man, Repeatedly SHIT On his Spina Bifida Stricken Child Verbally AND Show Up to His Gym, ALL Bets are Off...

At THAT Point, Whether Zelenoff was Clinically "Crazy" or Not, He DESERVED to Be DEALT w/...For the Life of REED, He Can't Understand WHY People Continue to Hold Wilder @ FAULT for that Situation...

A BETTER Example of Wilder Being a Certified POS is Telling Dominic Breazeale "Fuck Your Wife and Kids" IN FRONT of Breazeale's Wife and Kids...





REED

 

I can see both side of the zelenoff situation, and while i think he probably only should have showed him the door, putting the gloves against wilder is probably the coolest and most memorable things that happened in zelenoff life

 

I'm not convinced by the 'nice guy' routine. AJ is probably the most media trained fighter of the modern era. Prior to that, he got into a few spats online, including one I vaguely remember where he basically ripped the other guy into bits. He's a history of minor criminality, too.

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Canelo was media trained too until recent years. One day he woke up and said, "Fuck dis media training, mayne! Imma be who I am, motherfucker! Media training is a fucking pussy!"

 

AJ the nice guy:

‘Disgrace to superior black race’ - Anthony Joshua allegedly sends ‘racist' messages to rival

Anthony Joshua: The triumph of boxer spared jail for drug-dealing | Daily Mail Online

Anthony Joshua speaks openly about his arrests and time in prison on remand

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I dont think any.of these offences disqualifiy him of being a good guy. Rather minor things that most of us have done.

Edit; well the chambers thing is weird and does show a dark side to him

 

There's other stuff, too, that I can't be arsed to find.

He's a very, very media trained guy.

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Therein Lies REED's Problem...

Zelenoff is Immediately ABSOLVED of Any Wrongdoing Because He's "Crazy", Wilder is Immediately BLAMED for Allowing "Crazy" Zelenoff to Provoke Him On His OWN Property, No Less, and "Crazy" Zelenoff Comes Out Looking "Cool", While Wilder Dons the POS Cap, in the End???...

Really???...




REED

 

Z is obviously.mentally retarded. It would be like getting offended and beating up the bum that insult.everybody at the metro station

 

There's SOMETHING Going On w/Zelenoff, But "Retarded" Insinuates a DOWNSY Quality Which Just AIN'T There, Sorry...A Mental Health Issue Doesn't Automatically = Short Bus, Bruh...

If the Bum @ the Metro Station BERATES You Daily, Then FOLLOWS You to Your OWN Property and Continues to Challenge You, He's EARNED Whatever He Receives @ That Point...CAUSE-EFFECT, Simple As...

To Label Wilder a POS for the Zelenoff Altercation, While LITERALLY Giving Charlie "Cool" Points Simultaneously, is OFFBASE and WEIRD AF...



REED

 

Ive said i can see both side. I don't think Wilder is a pos for beating zelenoff, but i think it was immature of him

 

I think it's mostly the ''opposite''. Canelo is now way too used to being surrounded by yes men that he blows off anytime someone doesn't bow down to him.

 

My only regret of the Wilder vs Zelenoff situation is that Wilder held back from hitting that waste of life with full power. He should have nailed him with the right hand that took out Breazele.

 

Guy was falling down at every opportunity. Its hard to land a hard punch against someone doing this

 

I think Usyk has a chance against the Fury of last night, although I'd still say he's the underdog. If Fury can get into the physical shape he was in for Wlad and still move the same way I don't give Usyk any chance at all.

 

I think Fury beats Usyk but I’d like to see it.

Usyk schools Wilder as bad as he did AJ.

 

I also believe Fury beats Usyk. Otto Wallin troubled Fury some which means that Usyk isn't without a chance, but Fury is the firm favorite.

However, I'd pick also Wilder over Usyk. Wilder's shots are surprisingly difficult to see and Usyk can be hit, as even Bellew demonstrated. Usyk would control it early, but chances are that Wilder would collect him eventually.

 

Questions have to be asked about what Wilder has left, physically.

I honestly believe he would approach the Usyk fight with no psychological issues at all, on the simple basis that "Usyk is not Fury, I will be OK".

As alluded to above, Wilder is not psychologically damaged goods like Joshua seems to be.

But Wilder ABSOLUTELY has more miles on his clock by now.

I really think Fury needs to drop 20lbs even though I don't believe he has a problem with the weight, he would still be better off without it.

Fury, at 250-260 figures to be just too big for Usyk and he, Fury, will fight that fight left-handed, which negates Usyks advantages immediately.,

 

I haven't given the fight a lot of serious critical thought tbh. My first instinct though is that if Fury can't bully, smother, spoil, roughhouse and mug Usyk without reducing his openness and relative susceptibility (when fighting on the front foot) to sharp, straight, well-timed/flighted but basic shots coming from just under his line of sight, he might be in for a long night. And I do think he'll need to fight that way by and large. He isn't quicker of hand, foot or reflex than Usyk, nor as skilled despite respectability in those aspects for a man his size. It's a different and maybe a bit steeper challenge than Joshua for Usyk in many ways, but it might be as simple as him just needing to cope with Fury's size if he tries to impose it. It might be harder than I'm making it sound but Fury isn't Lewis in that regard imo despite being bigger, nor is he Ali or Holmes at a distance or mid-range.

 

If Fury loses to Usyk I'll eat my hat.

 

If Fury gets out-boxed by Usyk then Wilder found his way to an unprecedented fourth lineal title match

 

I don't think Wilder could find his way to the can right now.

 

I don't think that will happen but if Usyk managed to beat Fury, it would make a great story. A former unbeaten cruiserweight undisputed champ going on to become the undisputed hw champ by beating the Man at the weight. I'd like to witness that.