Tyson Fury all time ranking

George is also slower and much smaller than Fury. I tend to think he KOs him as well though. Fury has been rattled and down many times...if George rocked him it would be over.

 

Georges is a hard fighter to gauge. In his prime, his fight iq was pretty low, and he didn't show much skills bar a stiff jab and great footwork. In his comeback, he wasn't the destructive force he once was, so he fought a lot more intelligently, and showed more skills. If you combine the two versions, you probably have the best hw ever. But we never saw it.

As said, in his prime, he was destructive enough to beat fury imo, but i wouldn't be too surprised if he falls apart if fury manage to last past the middle rounds

 

I wouldn't have Fury close to top fifteen.

A win over Wlad is more or less worthless in the grand scheme of the division, and the win over Wilder isn't any better. We're talking an old man and a hypejob.

This is my list.

#20. Jack Sharkey
#19. Jersey Joe Walcott
#18. Max Schmeling
#17. Jack Johnson
#16. James J Jeffries
#15. Riddick Bowe
#14. Jack Dempsey
#13. Floyd Patterson
#12. Ezzard Charles
#11. Sonny Liston
#10. Mike Tyson
#09. Rocky Marciano
#08. Joe Frazier
#07. Wladimir Klitschko
#06. Evander Holyfield
#05. George Foreman
#04. Lennox Lewis
#03. Larry Holmes
#02. Joe Louis
#01. Muhammad Ali

 

agREED...

But That's Completely DIFFERENT from Saying "He Can't Fight"...





REED

 

Correction, He CAN'T BOX...At All...

Wilder's Completely DEVOID of Ring IQ, Boxing Acumen and SKILL...His ONLY Recourse in a Boxing Ring is TO FIGHT, Which He Did @ an Extremely EFFECTIVE (Albeit SLOPPY) Level...

But Make No Mistake, He CAN FIGHT...




REED

 

Bruh, You're THE LEAST Objective Poster on This Site When it Comes to Heavyweight Boxing and This Post of Yours is SHAMEFUL...

Butterbean, Huh???...

By Your OWN Admission, Post - Tyson/Lewis/Holyfield Heavyweights AREN'T Worth Your Time, Yet You POLLUTE Every Heavyweight Thread w/Your Clear BIAS Anyway...

No One Even Disagrees w/Your OVERALL Wilder Sentiments, But You Just HAVE to Go That CUTE Ass Extra Mile w/the "Can't Fight" Shit...



REED

 

THIS!!!

Particularly from a KNOWLEDGEABLE Boxing Fan, it's Perhaps THE DUMBEST/Most BIASED Take Ever...It's No Secret Wilder's Skill Level and Boxing Ability is SHIT, Which Means the ONLY Way for Him to Win FIGHTS is to OUT FIGHT People...

"He Can't Fight" is a Party Trick Used By Boxing Fans That SHOULD Know Better, Yet Succumb to Their Own Biases, Period...

Of Course He CAN FIGHT...

Fans and Trainers LOATHE "Windmill Wilder", Rightfully So, But that Doesn't Detract from the FACT He CAN FIGHT...His FIGHTING Record is There for Public Consumption...

Not Only Would Wilder KO Canelo in 30 Seconds, He'd Have Literally Inserted Lionel Rose Btwn His Butt Cheeks and WIPED His Ass w/Him...





REED

 

Oleg Maskaev would KO Canelo within 30 seconds too.

As for Lionel Rose, ummm... I would hope to Hell a heavyweight would destroy a bantamweight.

Peter McNeeely would destroy Naoya Inoue in 30 seconds. Guess that means McNeely wasn't a bum.

Wilder is a shitty fighter with a big right hand. I'm not taking it back.

 

Hey guys, did you know that James Butler would destroy Mark Johnson if they fought???? Wowww!! What an amazing fighter Butler was!

 

But if a Guy UNEQUIVOCALLY "Can't Fight", As You Say, WHY Would Size Be of ANY Consequence, in a BOXING Match???...




REED

 

You can't separate 'the ability to win fights' from 'can fight'. That does not make sense.

If a guy is able to win legit fights, he can fight.

Wilder has beaten some solid opposition. Not great, but solid. Of course he is a good fighter, an excellent one in fact

 

Tyson wouldn't have achieved half of what he did without his punch. Nor would Foreman.

If Wilder is a bum with a big punch, does that mean that Tyson and Foreman were rather average fighters with a big punch?

Of course not. You are allowed to win a fight with other abilities than technical finesse

 

Those are very poor comparisons. Both Tyson and Foreman had technical skill. Tyson more-so, but George had a ramrod jab and excellent offensive footwork, which is why he cut the ring so well.

Moreover, Tyson and Foreman had full offensive arsenals.

Wilder has none of those of things.

 

That's completely besides the point. We don't rank Tyson nor Foreman on the basis of what they would have been without a punch. We rate them as what they were.

Foreman didn't beat Frazier solely because of his better skill. He got some unfair advantage from his punching power

 

Foreman had the skill to properly utilize his power against Frazier.

Do you know what happened before Foreman started savaging Frazier with his power? He was knocking him off stride and off rhythm with his jab.

He also had the ring IQ to push Frazier back by his shoulders, thus knocking him off balance.

Wilder... has none of that...

 

Razor Ruddock would dust off Wilder imo. One of the most manufactured record of all time. Was struggling with the Molina and Splizka level guys. I get Reed's point though, with his big right hand, speed and heart, he is still dangerous and it is more accurate to say that while he can't box, he can fight

 

As for the topic, hard to say, I like Fury but I don't think he's especially brilliant. His fight vs Klithshko was probably the poorest between 2 ''ATG''. Looked like somebody strapped some gloves on 2 NBA players and threw them into a ring. Well, in fact, tou would expect NBA players to move better .

Gun to my head, probably around 15th. His record is still very thin.

 

Yeah, Mister REED is being a little pedantic, but he's clearly right. Wilder is one of the worst top-level boxers I've ever seen, but it is false to say that he 'can't fight'. He can't box, but he certainly can, and does, fight.

MTF

 

Wilder's fucking shit. Said so for years.

Just because he can ice a fat old bum like Ortiz doesn't mean he's any better. He's lost more rounds than won vs the putrid opposition of his title run.

He has nothing but a right hand and a big heart. Two things which would not come into play against real elite fighters at the top of their game. Exactly how it didn't when Fury trounced him last time.

 

Wilder would out-box Ruddock

 

When I think in my mind of a guy who can't fight, I think of JAKE PAUL, not Wilder

 

In the Midst of SNOBBISH, ELITIST Boxing Behavior (Atlas Moreso than Brother X, to Be Clear), Shit & PEDANTICISM Happens...

REED Watches ESPN Frequently, PARTICULARLY When Boxing is Discussed...Unlike Virtually ANY Other Sport, Whenever BOXING is Given a MAINSTREAM Platform, Those Chosen to Speak on a Bout of Relevance are a DIRECT REPRESENTATION of "Boxing" Proper...

w/That Comes a RESPONSIBILITY to LOVE Boxing (1st and Foremost), to EDUCATE Viewers and to "Do Right" By the Sport...More Times Than Not, Max Kellerman DOES That on ESPN...More Times Than Not, Teddy Atlas Did LIKEWISE on ESPN...

The Wilder-Fury 2 Post-Fight was the Exception...

Mind You, Atlas PICKED WILDER TO KO Fury, Yet When Asked WHY Wilder Lost, His Answer Amounted to "Wilder Can't Fight"???...Knowing How Boxing IGNORANT and GULLIBLE Mainstream Fans Are, it was Not Only Irresponsible, but LAZY AF of Atlas to Go There...

Wilder IRRITATES and UNNERVES the Ol' School Sensibilities of a Boxing Guy like Atlas, So He Elected to Be CUTE In His Criticism...

Atlas COULDN'T Resist SNUBBING His Nose @ "Windmill Wilder" When he FINALLY Had the Chance, So He Did...Knowing Full Well, You Need to Be Literal, Flat Out PEDANTIC When Relaying Information to MAINSTREAM Boxing Fans...

And Yeah, it Rubbed REED Wrong, a lil' Bit...

"He Can't Fight"???...Okay...


REED

 

Max Kellerman is not impartial and is unfit to present himself as such.

 

Wilder would get KTFO'd by Ruddock.

 

I hadn't seen or heard Atlas' take until you posted it earlier. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and I think he probably meant that Wilder 'cannot box', without giving the care to his exact words that you rightly say he should have. If he didn't, and it was deliberate, your take seems about right to me.

MTF

 

TOP 15-20 range...

 

I put his wife/partner thing in maybe the top 60,000 prizefighters wives/partners of all times.

 

Nothing is going sway me. This guy is a heavyweight Antwun Echols.

 

Karma is a real cunt.

MTF

 

I don't think Fury is a top 20 of all time HW.

Top 30, sure.

If I was him I'd focus on breaking Marciano's record.