Tyson Fury all time ranking

He's better than Echols. Echols LOST to Choc Mundine.

 

50-0. If Fury can make that, he might crack that top 20.

 

Not to get off topic, but prime Mundine was ok. Not elite, but he did whitewash Danny Green.

 

Yeah and that is why we need maybe to allow Wilder to overcome this current period, if it is in him to do so.

He may gain a redemption of sorts down the road.

He's never beating this version of Fury.

Fury should have a 5 year plan now to hit 50-0 and retire.

 

I see the point but just don't understand the takes in general. Now if somebody mentioned he is technically bad I totally see that, but he can't fight is an insult (and inaccurate).

The champion of heavyweight mixed martial arts Francis Ngannou (aka the best in the world at fair fighting) is similar to Wilder in the fact that he looks bad and unpolished, but makes up for it with huge power.

I hear people all the time "guys I know that trained for 10 years in martial arts look way better than him all he can do is punch"

But he can beat anybody anywhere and the guy you know likely would get beat by 100s of people in his own municipality. That has to count for something.

James Butler may have been much worse than Mark Johnson, but I guarantee you wouldn't catch Too Sharp say he is weak, he can't fight, etc.

Too clarify though I tend to agree with alot of Xplosives takes on classic boxing and always have.... Teddy Atlas on the other hand I can't stand.

 

I'd also like to add that being able to land on people who are "relatively" good is a skill. Wilder may be the hardest punching boxer in the world, but I bet strictly power generation, 1000s on the planet could generate more force... yet none of them would beat half the guys Wilder did in boxing.

He trained, sparred, and fought daily for 13 14 years in boxing... it is fundamental skills that he lacks... but he makes up for it with his unique style.

 

Thing is, I could buy the ''Wilder is good since he s winning'' argument if the hw division wasn't a cesspool of rejects from other sports. We need to admit it, if you are big and athletic you are not going in boxing, nor MMA, in this day and age. They look like shit not because they are so much bigger than the Ali, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe.... but because they are B level athletes at best. Sad but true.

 

I agree that being able to land is a skill, a specific and important one at that, and Wilder has it. According to his sparring partners his shots are difficult to see, despite how it looks to ringside, and his results seem to verify that. The Fury rematch is the only bout of his career where he wasn't close of winning.

No person on earth would say that Shaq O'Neal couldn't play basketball. However, he couldn't shoot a free throw better than an average joe, his jump shot was weak and he couldn't score with a three-pointer to save his life. All very basic basketball skills, which Shaq lacked. Yet he made up for that with some physical ability and specific skills.

 

Yeah wilder has pretty good speed, and hes also rather sneaky with his right hand once in a while

 

You obviously don't know basketball. Shaq was one of the most skilled players of all time in terms of footwork, and post moves. We're talking truly elite skill that isn't seen in the league anymore. He was also an elite passer, and an elite defender. Those are skills too.

Wilder has NO.... GODDAMN.... SKILL.

Comparing Shaq to Wilder in their respective sports is comical. Shaq had quite possibly the GOAT prime in the NBA. You guys are grasping at any and every straw to prove that this guy isn't the limited shit house that he is.

You just compared Wilder, one of the lowest skilled champions in the history of his sport, to one of the highest skilled players in the history his sport.

 

Do you misunderstand on purpose, or is it me?

Shaq lacked some very basic throwing skills, and it meant absolutely nothing, because he more than made up for it elsewhere. That's my point. I definitely didn't compare their importance for their respective sport

 

It was a poor comparison, because shooting is the only thing Shaq lacked. He was elite in every other area in terms of skill. And make no mistake, you give Shaq the jump shot and free throw percentage of say... Patrick Ewing, and he would have been BY FAR the greatest basketball player of all time. Jordan, Kareem, and Lebron would have been distant runners up. He was that talented.

Wilder isn't skilled in any area. It's not just that he's lacking one thing, like Shaq.

He's lacking EVERY damn thing outside of that right hand.

 

I won't pretend to know shit about basketball, but when you see those 6'6 + behemoths moving around like ballerinas and you compare it to the uncoordinated oafs that pollutes the hw division, the different in plain atleticism is simply shocking.

 

I mean, look at those 2 stiffs (who are not especiallybig to booth), they wouldn't seem out of place in an alcohol induced 4 am brawl at a generic dive bar.



Worse part is that they probably both would ko Joshua

 

Is getting dropped by the beautiful physique of USSR Cunningham worse than getting knocked out the ring by firpo?

 

Probably creeping into the top fifteen but he's got work to do before he deserves a top ten shout - and given Fury's inconsistency and lapses in discipline / motivation, I don't think it's guaranteed that he'll get all that work done.

Can't knock his wins against Wladimir and Wilder, particularly as they were on the road and as an underdog in a couple of cases, and also because of the conclusive nature of his two Wilder wins. Fair enough there.

But outside of that, Chisora, Cunningham and Wallin are still inside his five best opponents beaten. I know that a lot of historical Heavyweights - even some of the great ones - have quite a drop off in the quality of the names on their record once you get past their best small handful of opponents, but in Fury's case the handful is very small and the drop off is eye-watering.

No doubt he'd prove too big, rough and, let's be fair to him, talented mixed together for some of the guys I'd rate ahead of him, but I'm talking records and achievements. Fury is deservedly viewed as the best Heavy going right now in general, but some people are talking as if he's dominated his era or cleaned out the division. He's done neither.

Beat the winner of Joshua-Usyk II and take care of another couple of up and comers who might well win belts after he's done, proving that he can produce the levels he's shown against Wilder against some other opponents and sets of problems, and I'll relent and say he's there. Until then there's no way I'm putting him in the mix along with the likes of Frazier, Tyson, Johnson, Holyfield, Marciano etc. And as for the people putting him up there with Ali, Louis and Holmes? Please.

 

Regarding Tyson Fury Specifically, Dude EARNED REED's Respect the HARD Way, Every Step of His Career...

Self-Punch in the Face, Dropped by Crusierweight SOS Cunningham, to Say the Least, REED Had Extremely LOW Expectations of Fury and the DAD BOD Certainly Didn't Help His Case in the Court of REED...

Picked Wlad to Beat Fury AND Picked Wilder As Well...Wilder I is When Fury BEGAN Earning REED's Respect, Because He WON that Fight...

More Importantly, Fury Swooped In Out of NOWHERE, as Eddie Hearn Made a MOCKERY of the Wilder-Joshua Negotiations, and Inserted Himself into the THICK of the Heavyweight Mix...Fury GAMBLED On Himself, it Paid Off and REED Took Notice...Admirably Overcame Depression, Suicidal Thoughts, Alcoholism, Drug Abuse and Obesity in the Process...

Nonetheless, REED Picked Wilder in the RE...

But the 1-Sided Ass Whupping Sealed It;Tyson Fury's THE Best Heavyweight of This Era...The 3rd Bout was Rinse-Repeat Save for the 4th Round Scare...Bottom Line, It's Fury's Division, Everyone Else is Just In It...

Fury is Primo Carnera w/SKILL, ACUMEN, BOUNCE and WIGGLE...Very Much a "Heavyweight Floyd", as he Calls Himself...Only Fury Can Switch it Up and ATTACK His Foe, When Warranted...

There's Still Work to Be Done, But It's Hard to Imagine Fury Isn't ALREADY Top 20 All Time in the Division...He'll Never Rack Up the Amount of Title Defenses Wlad Had, But That's a Good Barometer for Where Fury Belongs, When Ranking Heavyweight Greats...

Unlike Wlad, Fury's a TRUE "Fighting Mon' ", His Era is Considerably More FAN FRIENDLY Than Wlad's and History Will Treat Him More Favorably as a Result...Especially if He Retires w/His "O" Intact...





REED

 

More I think about, Fury probably always beats Wlad, even prime-for-prime.

I don't like his odds against prime Vitali though.

 

agREED on Wlad...

Fury Would ALWAYS Unnerve Wlad Pre-Fight and His FLUIDITY Would ALWAYS Pose Problems...Wlad's Toooo RIGID, Toooo REHEARSED for Fury...

Fury-Vitali Would Be Interesting Though...REED Doesn't Recall Vitali Ever Facing a TALLER Man, Which Would Be the Case Here...Beyond SKILL, REED Thinks Wilder Was Bothered By Fury's HEIGHT/LENGTH as Well...Can't Recall Wilder Being the SHORTER Man Until Fury Either...

Vitali was Great @ Pulling Back to EVADE Shots, But Fury Just Might Have the LENGTH to Connect Regardless...Vitali was a TOUGH Dude Though and Wouldn't Entertain Fury's Pre-Fight Histrionics NOR His Attempts @ Mauling Him Against the Ropes...REED Isn't Sure Fury is STRONGER than Vitali in the Trenches, So He'd Pretty Much HAVE to Control and Capitalize on DISTANCE....

One of Those Mythical Matchups Where REED Could See Each Man Winning 5 of 10...







REED

 

I could definitely see Fury beating Wlad again, but I wouldn't be sure. Here's my problem: it was 8-4 fight according to two judges, and with several close rounds. Plus Wlad was a couple of months shy of his 40th b-day.

Now, had Fury whitewashed him completely, we would be more ready to say that it was a case of Wlad being old but since it was relatively close, we easily assume otherwise, even though a 39-year-old guy is hardly ever at his best, and even a little bit of change could have changed the outcome.

It is the Norris vs Leonard phenomenon: Norris would have gained more appreciation from that fight, had he struggled more. (no, not comparing the fights directly)

That said, yes, Fury might have always beaten Wlad. He would have needed to do more than he did in their fight, but I believe he might have been able to. And I am leaning towards him defeating Vitaly too

 

It was in Germany. The scorecards were closer than they should have been

 

I agree. I had it 9-3, and even 10-2 is fair. But the rounds were extremely uneventful and thus close. Prime Wlad could have upped the pace, as could Fury

 

Wlad had the physical tools to beat fury, but he would had to walk through a lot of punches to do so. He wouldnt be able to use his usual grab-1-2, even in his prime. I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility that he beats fury in his prime, but i dont trust his chin nor resolve enough to think it would be the case

 

Agreed , I think it is also safe to say that while Wlad was a bit past it, Fury was a bit green too. The Fury since Wilder II is a notch better imo. If Fury fights in ''grizzly mode'' as he calls it, I doubt Wlad see's the final bell, prime or not.

 

Joshua always beats Wlad too, my pet. As does Wilder, and Fury obviously,.. as does Porter just quietly, but Joseph Parker,... na please come on,... it was wrong, I've never forgotten it,.. I can't rest until you recant, sprung up from the crust. "Golden age" ... I thought I'd laugh it off at first but it's proving to be a real vagina centipede

 

Holy God. Another Ghost from FB past.

 

What was fightbeat original name. Can't rebember it

 

Fightworld.us

Fightworld.com wasn't Available, However, so Cupey Changed the Name to Fightbeat...





REED

 

I dont remember. In fact you just reminded me that it wasn't always called Fightbeat.

All I can remember is Cupey starting this place once the Seconds Out forum was no more.

 

Fury would need to beat Usyk, Joshua, Whyte to even be considered as an ATG. He's done enough to be considered for the HOF I think.