Top 5 defensive fighters ever

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  1. Explosivo

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    Pep
    Benny Leonard
    Pernell Whitaker
    Floyd Mayweather
    Muhammad Ali

    that’s my list
     
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    Locche
    Whitaker
    Pep
    Floyd
    Zapata

    HM: Benitez
     
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    Locche and Benitez…top 10 for sure
     
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    Whitaker
    Pep
    Locche
    Floyd
    Canto

    No order.
     
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    Locche is the best purely from a defensive standpoint. Then Whitaker and Pep.

    I'd have Canto and Zapata as the other two. Canto was tiny and at the type of disadvantage the others and guys like Benitez and Mayweather rarely, if ever, had to endure imo. In a very strong era too.

    Zapata had an average chin and poor mental focus and drive which hindered him, but his reflexes, range of defensive techniques and eccentric style were better and more expansive than the likes of Mayweather imo even if the latter was probably a better all round fighter.
     
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    Zapata also had cocaine addiction. That didn't help.
     
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    No order

    Whitaker
    Pep
    Floyd
    Benitez
    Locche
     
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    Calderon might deserve top 10. If not, top 15.

    You gotta understand, Calderon had nowhere near the natural ability of a Locche, Whitaker, Zapata, ect.

    The fact that was a defensive wiz on pure craft deserves credit.
     
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    You think, X? Dunno man, I've never been high on him myself outside of considerable respect for him being so tiny in an age of weight draining giants and cheats. Quick and good on his feet mostly, ok reflexes but a bit loose/naive and without a real elite grasp over most of the more advanced defensive aspects that a fellow midget like Canto had a proper handle on. And Canto was offensively sharp despite being a light puncher, something else I never thought the wee iron boy really had despite throwing quite a lot of punches. Hmmm. Maybe I'm harsh on him.
     
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    Nicolino Locche
    Willie Pep
    Pernell Whitaker
    Floyd Mayweather Jr
    Wilfred Benitez

    Honorable mentions:
    Hilario Zapata
    Miguel Canto
    Miguel Lora
    Marlon Starling
    Ivan Calderon
    Sumbu Kalambay
    James Toney
     
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    That honourable mentions group is good, Flo (other than Iron Boy). I'd have the likes of Duran, Benton, Graham, Laguna, Marcel, RJJ, Benny L, Driscoll, Midget Wolgast, Famechon, Loughran, prime Napoles etc in it. Maybe the likes of Mamby, Fourie, Rose and Lomachenko could scrape in.

    A dark horse for the upper tier based on a limited sample in terms of pure defensive ability before he quickly burnt out due his lifestyle would be Payakaroon imo. He used his height and great footwork a lot but was a formidable defensive talent. Young Griffo too, though we don't have the footage.

    Ibarra, Pinder and prime Alfonso Lopez were all defensively excellent but had durability and focus issues.
     
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    I think M. Spinks deserves mention.
     
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    I think M.Spinks is really underrated defensively.
     
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    Spinks had some very nice defensive manoeuvres but he still got hit quite a lot. I don't think he belongs on these lists as even an honourable mention.

    Qawi's defence was better IMO.
     
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    I dont think he belongs either, but if there was an underrated defense thread, he would belong.
     
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    One thing that Spinks did really well which I like, that not enough fighters do, was dipping his body and head a wee bit to the right when he jabbed. Very hard to then catch cleanly with straight rights, counter jabs etc and in a position himseld to quickly fire back.
     
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    If only Hearns understood how to do that...
     
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