Lewis vs Tyson - Prime - My Thoughts | KISS MY ASS if you disagree.

I think 88 Tyson beats the best Lewis, but I'm not gonna lie and say I'm 100% confident. It's possible that the best Lewis beats the best Tyson. I'm just more inclined to side with Mike closing the gap and catching Lewis with some shit he doesn't see coming.

 

Lewis should be remembered as one of the best BJJ fighters of all time. He was huge, fast, powerful, very skilled, beat every opponent he faced, and never ducked a fight

 

Tyson vs Lewis prime for prime-

Tyson knocks out Lewis.

There was no way to train for Tyson. There has been no one like him.

Look at the actual fight they had. Lewis got warned for holding against a shot Tyson. Lewis knew he would fade down the stretch, but had no intentions on exchanging with Tyson in the first few rounds even though Tyson was shot.

That's very telling.

What did Lewis do better than Tyson skill wise and what athletic attributes did Lewis have an edge in prime vs prime?

 

Lewis didn't carry Tyson. That's absolutely asinine. As arrogant as Lewis is, if he did in fact carry him he would have said so long ago.

Lewis hurt Tyson early, but he didn't go all out because even an old Tyson is dangerous in the early rounds. So, Lummox softened him up. "Carry" is one of the most overused terms.

You don't gamble in the biggest fight of your career by trying to let Mike fricken Tyson hang around. He might have been a shell of his self, but he's still one of the greatest punchers in history. Carrying him and taking a chance on getting caught would be a retarded idea.

 

He would have said so by now. He's done countless interviews over the years, and he's ALWAYS asked about Tyson. If he elected to carry Tyson, he would have bragged about it 20 years ago back when the two of them were less friendly.

Now Lewis and Tyson are friends, so it's less likely Lummox would say anything negative, but back then? He would have been admitted it if he carried Tyson.

It was never really part of Lewis' fighter DNA to carry an opponent anyway. Lewis was a guy that if had you going early... he would try to take you out early. He was honestly too fearfully of getting caught himself to WILLINGLY let a guy hang around if he didn't have to.

 

One of the most biased refereeings ever. It rarely gets mentioned as it didn't change the winner

 

As for the fight, prime Tyson obviously has a chance against anyone but I'd make Lewis the favorite. About 60:40

If Tyson didn't get you out of there inside three rounds, chances of you surviving improved greatly. Knowing this, Lewis would clinch, lean and push early on, making it difficult for Tyson to get through. Little by little he'd start to stop Tyson from coming with his jab and break him down with the hold and hit uppercut

 

"Soften up" is exactly what I said, and that's entirely different from carrying.

Manny can say anything he wants, a fighter has to make the call for himself on when he jumps on his opponent.

Lewis wasn't by nature petty and vindictive as a fighter. Not sure what ever gave you that impression. He was a finisher. When he felt an opponent was ready to go, he put them out.

You don't willingly let Mike Tyson hang around in a fight if you don't have to. You might do it with a no-hoper who lacks power. But willingly allowing a puncher to hang around is stupid.

 

You're talking about post-prison Tyson.

Not that I have an issue with making Lewis a 60/40 favorite, but it's a fallacy that prime Tyson was just a "survive early then win" type of fighter. It actually undersells Tyson's ring IQ, because while Mike did in fact start fast, he also thought fast, he was also analyzing his opponents in the process, and probing for patterns in their attack to exploit.

You're talking about the depleted Tyson who came home from prison, and no longer had the wind nor the willingness to fight tactically anymore.

 

I don't think Lewis was much of a finisher and I'm his biggest fan. He didn't go after Holyfield when he had a chance, he didn't go after Morrison, heck he almost let Grant off the hook (the second round took over two minutes before Lewis got anything done) Golota fight is the exception, not the rule

 

That's not the same as carrying. Carrying implies "I'm toying with this guy, I can take him out whenever." That wasn't part of Lewis the fighter, not when he being serious anyway.

He had JUST gotten knocked out by Rachman for toying around. You would hope he wouldn't have done the same in his biggest fight, and against a far more dangerous opponent than Hasim.

 

Nope. Tyson has one stoppage after seventh round. Prime Tyson (before Douglas) had three stoppages after the fifth.

I am not saying Tyson wasn't dangerous after the early rounds, he was. But the fact is if you could make it to mid rounds, your chances improved.

 

I don't disagree with this, I commented your point about LL being a finisher

 

I think prime for prime, Mike will catch him at some point.

But stylistically it’s a hard fight. I just feel that Lewis does get hit often enough to get caught with something big at some point.

I think prime Lewis beats any version of Holyfield, though.

 

It’s been a minute since I’ve seen that one. I remember thinking Lewis won a close but deserved decision.

I’ll give it a re watch.

 

I had Lewis 8-4. Holy fought tactically well (as he often did in rematches) but wasn't close of winning

 

The Lewis that khtfko Golota in the 1st round would out-box Tyson, i think in my mind

 

In a Battle of PROLIFIC Punchers, Both In Their Primes, the SAFE Pick is the One w/the Better CHIN…

And That’s Tyson By a GOOD Margin…




REED

 

Mike’s KO Losses were Sustained ASS WHUPPINGS…

Buster Douglas Hit Mike w/Everything AND the Kitchen Sink for 10 Rounds, Yet Mike BARELY Missed the 10-Count (Not That He’d Have Been FIT to Continue, But the Point Stands)…

Holyfield Hit Mike w/Everything, Including Headbutts and Nutshots for 11 Rounds, Before Stopping Mike On His FEET…

Lennox Beat the Shit Out of Mike for 8 Rounds, Yet Even as Mike Took the 10-Count on His Back, He was Fully Conscious…

All KO Losses Ain’t Created Equal. 1 Punch KO Loss or BEATEN DOWN for Several Rounds??? “Early Doors” KO Loss or Late Rounds KO Loss???…

There’s NO Argument for Lennox Lewis Having Similar or Better Punch Resistance Than Mike Tyson. Mike CLEARLY Possessed the Better Chin Bruh…






REED

 

Yeah, really strange argument. Not even huge Lewis fans and Tyson haters ever argue that Lummox had a better chin. He simply did not.