Leonard vs Mayweather Jr at 147

This is more in response to what I’ve been seeing online about how Lil Floyd would “take Ray to school” among other things.

IMO, best case scenario is Floyd hears the final bell, losing via scores 8-4/9-3 in a 12 rounder and in a 15 rounder, score of 10-5/11-4. But I don’t see what else Floyd could do, other than land occasional sharp counters, while getting out worked and out speeded round by round.

If Floyd opens up like he did with Cotto, I see him getting stopped.

 

Floyd has no chance. None. He'd face the same issues with Ray that Benitez had. It's impossible to beat a prime Leonard as a careful counterpuncher. Leonard's style and talent was just nightmarish for a defensive-wiz guy like Floyd, Whitaker, or Benitez.

 

Of course, Floyd groupies would cry: "Leonard only wins cause he's bigger!"

Nah, sorry. Leonard was just a better fighter than Floyd... ON TOP of being bigger.

 

Leonard for sure. Pbf was smaller and not as good. No chance for him

 

Nah they’re actually saying “Floyd would neutralize Leonard and outsmart him like he does with everyone.”

 

Nightmare fight for Floyd. The biggest question is can Floyd survive a 15 rounder.

When SRL hurts Mayweather, when not if, I wonder how he'd respond. If he tries to walk Ray down like he did against Judah and Mosley at times I don't see it working and it would cause him to take more damage.

 

It makes you wonder how people make that leap. Since you outsmarted Victor Ortiz and Robert Guerrero, it must follow that you would outsmart Ray Leonard?
Even if that made sense, and Leonard felt himself being "out smarted", he would just fight Floyd and that is an absolute dead end for Floyd.

 

It’s wild. They think that because Floyd fights in the high def tv era and because of him being unbeaten that it somehow translates to him beating freaking Ray Leonard.

Imagine Leonard being taken the distance by Maidana, Berto, and Baldomir. Lol

 

Floyd was a very average ww, at least when it comes to the elite ww. He doesnt have a lot of impressive performances at that weight. I could entertain the idea that a 130 pbf was better p4p than a ww leonard, but in a straight up ww fight? Forget about it

 

The Answer to WHY People Make the Leap is OBVIOUS...

When They Say Floyd Would "Neutralize and Outsmart Leonard Like He Does w/Everyone", They're Literally Speaking Of "Everyone" THEY'VE Seen Fight, Which at BEST Consists of the Leonard of the Hagler Fight or Later & Floyd...

They're FLOYD Fans 1st, BOXING Fans 2nd...Maybe, Just MAYBE They Watched HIGHLIGHTS of Leonard-Hearns I, Leonard-Duran I and/or Leonard-Benitez, But Best Believe, These Type of Fans CAN'T Be Bothered to Watch Fights EXCEEDING 12 Rounds, in their Entirety...

Even Shorter Bouts Like Leonard - Dave Boy Green? Leonard - Kalule? Leonard - Price? Leonard - Ranzany? Fuuuuuuck NO, They Haven't Seen Those Catalogue Worthy Leonard KO's...

"Everyone" Meaning Everyone Within the Scope of Boxing THEY'VE Seen...That's Why They Make the Leap...That, and Blind Nuthuggery...




REED

 

They're SHEEP...

Floyd TELLS Them He's the Best Ever, Rocks a TBE Hat, Says Anyone That "Have Lost" Sucks & They BELIEVE Him...Cause Floyd SAID So???

SHEEP...



REED

 

Incredible how popular and overrated pbf have become cause of a few mediocre ww performances. The weirdest part is that a lot of these floyd groupies havent even seen him at 130, (to a lesser extent) 135, and 140, where he was really incredible. They hopped in the bandwagon after he barely beat a faded dlh, and seemed to be really impressed by him stinking out the joint against luminaries like berto, guerrero and baldomir.

 

Hearns is a worse matchup for Mayweather Jr.

Definitely would pick leonard over him, too

But it's far from a complete mismatch. You all believe leonard beats him 10 out of 10 times?

 

Absolutely I believe Leonard beats Floyd 10/10 times.

This man dropped 4-5 rounds to a washed up Oscar, and a faded Cotto. He dropped 4 rounds to a prime Judah, and he dropped rounds to Hatton.

How in the living FUCK is he gonna handle the 80-82 Leonard? He doesn't have the style for it.

 

Leonard, Hearns, and Duran are ALL bad matchups for Floyd, for different reasons. Now, of those three, Floyd certainly has his best shot against Duran, but make no mistake, all three would mop the floor with him on their best nights.

Floyd = Great great fighter, but also simultaneously THE most overrated fighter in history among the mainstream.

 

That's what i don't get

Claiming leonard at a 2 year period at his natural weight peak, beats Mayweather Jr, in his 4th division, 10 out of 10 times

Leonard was the better welterweight for sure but I don't see the logic here

 

I’d take Benitez at his best to beat Mayweather.

The height and reach, jab, and his own defense I don’t think Floyd would be able to counter that. And even though Benitez didn’t have Hearns or Trinidad power, he hit hard enough that if Floyd got too aggressive he’d most certainly feel it.

But Floyd would have a better chance against Wil than the others.

 

In Mythical Matchups, the assumption is that both guys are at their bests at the stipulated weight.

Floyd would never beat a peak version of Leonard. Ray has too many tools and advantages over him.

 

I find it interesting how a segment of boxing fans, many here, choose to glamourize leonard at the expense of Mayweather Jr.

As if Leonard's ambition was so much greater. The guy was a gold medalist, shotcaller from the get go of his career and he parlayed that into making huge money fights over a brief period of time.

He'd likely beat Mayweather jr at welterweight if they fought once. Doubtful it would be the case ten out of ten times.

Mentioning super welterweight opponents like delahoya and cotto is also interesting

Id agree a prime 25 year old leonard could beat a 35 year old super welterweight Mayweather Jr who faced cotto in his 5th division

 

What performance at ww makes you think pbf has a shot against a prime leonard? Barely outpointing an old dlh who was more interested in being a promoter?

As said, we are not talking about a p4p matchup. P4p 130 pbf could win against leonard, but at 147, i just dont see it

 

If it’s pre first retirement version of Leonard I would go on a limb and say that Floyd loses to that guy every time.

Biggest reason would be that Leonard has the hand speed and the sense of anticipation to punch WITH Floyd. The couple of times we’ve seen Floyd most hurt/stunned we’re in exchanges of punches. That second right hand that Mosley landed in that 2nd round comes to mind, as does that 4th round with Corley. Getting Floyd into exchanges is the key and Leonard had the creativity to force Floyd into that.

There’s other reasons but I truly think that at least at 147-154, it’s a case of Leonard simply being the better fighter. And stylistically it’s just a horrible match up for Floyd.

In a pound 4 pound case 130 Mayweather compared to 147 Leonard is a better discussion and they can be better compared.

 

Why do you all keep bringing up this fight that did not take place at welterweight?

 

Am I the only one that thinks Ray has a better chance of stopping Floyd than Tommy boy

 

Leonard had more killer instinct than Hearns.

 

Leonard wins, but of course it has a lot to do with him being bigger.

Who was better, Floyd at 130 or Leonard at 147 is a very legit debate. Imo, Floyd looked even more incredible but Leonard's competition was harder by far.

As for a 10-fight series, if Leonard had an off day (as you could expect in so many bouts) and Floyd was at his sharpest, I could see it being close, but it would still be difficult to see how Floyd would actually win it at welterweight

 

Yes, 10-10...

Floyd Wouldn't Like Leonard's Handspeed Nor the Fact Ray Could HURT Him w/Either Hand, So He WOULDN'T Fight Leonard from the Pocket OR Even Reasonably Close Range...But REED Can't See Floyd EFFECTIVELY "Sticking & Moving" vs. Leonard Either...To SURVIVE, to Last the DISTANCE, Yes, Floyd Could Do That...

But REED Can't See Floyd Incorporating Defense AND Offense to a High Enough Degree to DEFEAT Sugar Ray @ Welter...Like JoM Said, In a TRUE Lb for Lb Sense, No, Leonard Doesn't Beat Floyd 10 Out of 10...130 Floyd was a Motherfucker and NOBODY 10-0's THAT Dude...Not Leonard, Not Hearns, Not Duran, Not Walker Smith, Not Roy, NOBODY....

But WELTERWEIGHT Floyd???...Yes, Leonard Beats THAT Version 10 Out of 10...



REED

 

I didn't mention DLH. I mentioned Mosley and Judah because those are the fights where Mayweather buckled down and was able to handle fast handed punchers. Leonard is a different puzzle all together and I don't see a way that Floyd beats him. He could win some rounds but if he fights in the pocket and tries to walk Leonard down like he did when he got the better of those guys he takes too much damage.

Floyd might decision the 154 lb Leonard that lost to Norris but he loses to the one that beat Kalule.

 

I dont think pbf was a completely different fighter juste because he weithed 3 pounds more than the ww limit. But its true that it was a jmw fight, always forget that it wasnt a ww bout

 

I'm not sure Floyd beats the De La Hoya who won a controversial decision again Whitaker let alone Leonard.

 

This.