Who else agrees? At 135, Floyd definitely beats the still developing Crawford. 140 is a close call. Both looked spectacular at 140, yet neither really fought an elite opponent at that weight. At 147, Bud has always looked more impressive. I've got him winning a UD over prime Floyd at welter.
I would lean towards Crawford. Floyd would basically look to stink it out. And because of his clout in Vegas, I can see him getting the decision. But objectively, I see Bud winning 7 rounds off of more damaging punches. Floyd would have never taken that fight. I would take Bud over any version of Pacquiao.
I'll say that Bud has a helluva lot more handspeed to worry about with prime Pac than he saw with Spence, but yeah, Crawford's brain just operates a whole lot quicker than Pac's. On top of him much much taller and longer, and FARRR physically stronger. I'd make him the favorite over any Pac as well.
No, still pick pbf. He was much faster than bud. Would be a bore, but hed peck at him. And prime pac is a nightmare for bud. Still remember lil ass gamboa tagging him at will in the early rounds. And Gamboa is a very poor man version of pac
Similar to Paul Williams stylistically Bud is a problem for Floyd. With Williams Floyd will figure him out after a few rounds long jabs, right hook, ocassiinal left, Floyd will start touching him to the body with the jab/straight right rinse/repeat, walking him down to win enough rounds to get a decision….maybe. Bud has similar height/reach advantages…but he has a better arsenal of weapons and he can shorten his punches and fight inside if he had 2. I still have to see more of Bud…
Yes Floyd ain't all that he went in the ring with the mentality of not getting hit. Mosley's speed and power gave Floyd problem Bud is a better version of Mosley.
Floyd to me was rather unimpressive at 147 when you look at his opposition and how he beat them. Say what you want about Errol Spence, Floyd never destroyed any fighter that was on his level like THAT. Hell, he never destroyed a fighter on Brook’s level the way Bud did. I can’t picture the likes of Robert Guerrero, Andre Berto, and undersized older guys like Pac and Marquez going the distance with Bud at welterweight. Floyd really was a great match maker. So great that he has casual fans convinced that he’s the GOAT at 147-154 and would have destroyed the all time greats at those weights.
Bud has more skills than Shane. Shane had more natural gifts with his speed, reflexes, and athleticism.
Yeah I think Bud beats Floyd at welter. I've always thought highly of Bud and had a suspicion he could be a big problem for Floyd, but the Spence performance is the first time I became confident he could actually beat him. I agree too that Mayweather wins at 135 and the 140 one is close.
Bud easier than most would think. Floyd vs DLH was a split decision and I think they got that right. Bud is faster, smarter, sharper, and isn't one handed.
People put Floyd on this pedestal like he can't be out-thought or out-adjusted. But if there's any guy in the last 30 years (outside of Whitaker) who could out-think and out-adjust Floyd, it would be Bud.
Not even fair to use the Gamboa argument now, considering how much better Bud got since 2014. The Burns and Gamboa Crawford is a far way off from the Horn/Porter/Spence Crawford. Bud was straining to make 135. It's no coincidence that as SOON as he hit 140, he looked faster and more explosive. He didn't belong at 135.
Mind you it was an old Oscar coming off a 1 year layoff whose body was broken down. I hate Oscar with a passion. But I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if it was the 1999-2000 version in there against Floyd.
Thats a very good point, bud seems much better at 140 and 147 than he was at 147. Still, he was getting hit a lot by gamboa in the early rounds, against pac, it could spell trouble
Well I would say I had it wider than 8-4. Judah was good early against virtually everyone except Tszyu which imo was a situation where Tszyu was clearly losing and struggling with the speed and landed two right hands which Judah shouldn't have got hit with but credit to Tszyu. Judah also threw a low blow vs Floyd when he was on his way to getting stopped. I never seen a guy get so overrated off beating a guy like Spence. Would Spence even beat Judah? Spence doesn't appear to have anything at this level other than going forward with body shots. Forget about the Spence fight and focus on the Eurobum fight. Crawford got clearly outboxed for the first 4 rounds and dropped. Floyds got an overall speed advantage from the outside, the potshot game could work, better defensive fighter, better inside fighter, better fight IQ and at this point I think he would find a way to win. If he has no other option than putting up the high guard and walking forward as he did in some fights vs southpaws, I don't see why he can't pull that off against Crawford, at this point. I would be open to revising my opinion upon seeing more of Crawford but the Eurobum showed me most of what I need to see. I'm even lower on Spence than I've ever been.
My thing is, what fighter that was on Spence level at 147 did Floyd ever destroy? Did Floyd ever destroy a guy that was even on Brook’s level? Floyd IMO looked mostly unimpressive in his reign as a welterweight. He spoiled and labored his way to decisions against Baldomir, Berto, Guerrero, and older, smaller guys like Pac and Marquez. Floyd had tough fights against old De La Hoya and Cotto above the 147 lb limit and his only really impressive performance at 147 came against Hatton who did not belong at that weight. I would make Bud and a lot of other welterweights the favorite over Floyd, at 147.
I agree Crawford would KO some guys that Floyd would decision. Destroying guys wasn't really Floyds M.O at that point. I don't put much into the Brooks fight at the point Crawford fought him. KO'd by a stiff jab really. I can't make a guy who struggled like Crawford did vs Eurobum a favourite over Floyd. I'm pretty much discounting the Spence fight. If we are talking about SRL, Leonard, Hearns, then yeah it's a no brainer they should be favoured over Floyd at 147 but for people to be picking Bud off the back of a win over Spence is not fair imo. The best way I can put it is people are putting Crawford near SRL, Hearns, Leonard for example, off beating Spence, Brooks and a Eurobum where he outboxed in the early going and dropped. Some people are probably picking Crawford over those guys or taking it as a very competitive fight.
