Worst winning performance by an all time great in their prime

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  1. BOSS

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    Floyd vs Victor Sosa comes to mind.
     
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    Roy Jones vs Eric Harding was pretty underwhelming to say the least...
     
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    Most every fighter has a few subpar showings even at their peak

    Often kinda like trap games when team sports franchises face a bad team in between matchups with contenders

    Arguello and Duran had plenty
     
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    Lewis-Mavrovic? Though to be fair Mavrovic proved to be way tougher than anyone expected.

    He also had McCall II and Akinwande back to back, though you could hardly blame Lewis for those.
     
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    I agree. Every all time great has a title defense that's a dud.
     
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    Saldivar in the first Seki fight
    Sugar Ramos vs Floyd Robertson
    Marquez vs Salido
    Louis in the first Godoy fight
    Cervantes vs Furuyama
    Saddler in the Elorde rematch
    Nunn vs Starling & Barkley
    Calzaghe vs Reid & Ashira
    Chang in the Ohashi, Torres rematches etc

    Griffith in both Archer fights and the three Rodriguez fights.

    Benitez vs Curry, though you might say Wilf was pre-prime.

    Laciar vs Zapata maybe. I always felt like Zapata gave that away.
     
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    the term all time great is used loosely these days i guess

    mike nunn ?

    sugar ramos?
     
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    I meant more in terms of ability for Nunn rather than overall achievement. Missed making it clear.

    Ramos was a great fighter imo. Lower end great maybe with a brief peak, but absolutely elite in terms of skill and physical ability at his best and extremely unlucky to come along in the same era as Saldivar and Ortiz.

    Are you the bloke who thinks Roman Gonzalez is the greatest ever fighter from bantamweight down?
     
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    Roman Gonzalez is greater than Nunn and Ramos for damn sure
     
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    And?
     
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    and try to stay on topic, pal!


    lets go ahead and name off all the subpar performances reggie strickland had next.
     
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    Say what?

    MAG was easily one of Oscar's top 5 best performances. His jab had never been better. Weird to list that one.
     
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    Plus, Roy definitely wasn't in his prime
     
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    I thought he sort of fell apart in second half of the fight.
     
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    You were the one who went off piste in the first place daft lad when you dismissed Ramos out of hand as an arguably great fighter, which gives the impression that you know fuck all about both him and the era in question. He's a HOFer who was both the lineal featherweight champion and a world class lightweight.

    I mentioned Gonzalez because of how the way you overrate him shows, to me, an ignorance of past fighters. And then you compared Ramos to Reggie Strickland, which saves me having to ponder further or ask the question. All I'm wondering now is whether you're trolling or just being dense.
     
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    Sugar Ramos is not an all time great fighter. Not by my metrics. Perhaps we have different definitions of all time greats. You seem offended, mate.
     
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    I'd also potentially say:

    Barrera vs Valbuena
    Morales vs Espadas Jr
    Monzon in the Griffith rematch, though tbh Carlos was past his best by then.
    Nelson vs Laporte and Martinez
    Sanchez vs Pat Ford
    Joe Brown vs Paolo Rosi
    McCallum vs Mannion and Graham
    Ward vs Bika (if you consider Ward great)
     
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    He's no Reggie Strickland.
     
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    Neither he nor strickland are all time great fighters.
     
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    Sugar Ramos was plenty formidable at his best. The night he beat (and unintentionally killed) Moore, he'd be a handful for MOST featherweights in history.

    He had the misfortunate of running into one of the 5-7 greatest featherweights ever in Saldivar.
     
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    you consider him an alltime great?

    just how many all time greats are there in boxing history?

    is he even among the top 25 featherweights of all time?
     
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    I personally wouldn't consider Ramos an ATG based on accomplishments. I have no problem with him in the Hall, since much lesser guys are in there.

    H2H I could see him beating a lot of ATGs at 126.
     
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    how bout mike nunn, ATG?
     
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    Same boat as Ramos. Didn't get enough done for ATG; however, I think Nunn deserves to be in the Hall. I see no reason why a guy like McGirt is in there over Nunn.
     
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