Shakur Stevenson vs Edwin De Los Santos / Emanuel Navarrete vs Robson Conceicao

No arguments from me. Floyd was never AS unimpressive as Shakur was last night.

Floyd shouldn't be the bar though. Shakur's never gonna be as good as Floyd. He'll never be as good as Bud either.

But he's capable of beating Haney or Davis. He's also capable of losing to them. We'll have to see.

 

Cotto was a close fight. clear PBF win but a claose fight nonetheless

 

His stock plummeted badly. Terrible performance, he just threw so few punches, never countered, just ran from Santos attacks. Santos was poor but hes a known mental midget due to checking out of that Foster fight when the going got tough. Shakur was boring, everyone was headed for the exits way before the fight was over. People talking shit about this will be his experience of social media for the foreseeable future. I'm not tuning in again unless it's a very big fight. This kind of shit is killing boxing. A casual fan watching last night will skip boxing and watch big UFC fights. The little cocksucker got paid though, thats all he cared about really.

 

I don't consider 8-4 close.

 

I'm not saying Floyd lost those fights but although not close not exactly a dominant performance. Vs famoso what I remember was Floyd getting dropped(or at least ruled a kid)

 

The Famoso fight wasn't really close from what I recall. But it was far from a dominating performance either.

 

Honestly, Shakur's been boring to me since the start of his career. A couple of rounds here and there is fine as he has some nice skills, more than this though is a hard sell since he barely ever ''brings'' it. Definitely interested in seeing him vs the top guys but 0 interest in another ''showcase''.

 

Hernandez did not drop him. Floyd dropped his gloves on the canvas in sheer pain from his broken hand.

The only TRUE KD of Floyd's career that should have been called was Judah dropping him with a right hook. Ref missed the call.

 

I suspect Shakur would have looked better against Frank Martin, but we'll never know. Martin pussied out.

 

DLH was not close? Are you serious? Regardless, none of those fights were dominations.

 

So you remember floyd landing clean left to the body and to the top of Hernandez head...then grimacing in pain and taking a knee??

 

Loma would out-box Stevenson

 

I'm not prepared to say all that. And it's not because Shakur is better; prime Loma would outclass Shakur.

I think Stevenson would win at this point given Loma's age and inactivity. He'd fight Loma at a higher level than he showed against the Dominican.

 

I thought Mayweather-Pac was quite close as well tbh. Floyd definitely won, not questioning that at all for the record, but Pac picked up quite a few rounds.

 

Exactly and that was my only point. In response to the poster that thinks Floyd always won in dominant fashion. He had quite a few close ones. Is it me or does it seem that when fighters have a reputation for being slick boxers they always get the benefit of the doubt with the judges? It seemed like if it was a closely contestes bout Floyd always got the nod. In a way I felt like Stevenson got the special media darling treatment with the judges last night. I didn't feel like either guy really won the fight. A draw due to inactivity would have been just. It would send a message to guys like Stevenson and his ilk that you have to do more than feint and dodge your way to victory.

 

you know what fight wasnt close?

old ass, tiny mayweather jr vs alvarez. what a fuckin white washing

 

Oh yeah it was a boxing clinic. No argument from me on that. But it does seem that when fighters build a reputation for being masterful boxers it's hard to win a decision. And not only did Floyd's opponents have to worry about Floyd and the judges but also the ref. If somebody tried to make it an ugly fight Floyd had his favorite referee to save him(Bayless).

 

I totally agree. I don't know if it's judges over-compensating for an instinct to score it for the aggressive guy, or if it's hand-speed or possibly just the smoothness and grace of speedsters, but I definitely feel a lot less is asked of these types of fighters in terms of clean punching and effective aggression.

 

Mostly agreed with everything you said in this one Reed. The previous one however, I felt you gave Do los Santos way too much credit for ''talking''. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in on a avoided talking shit to get his deserved shot. Guys like Do Santos and Rolly however, all they are doing is fishing for an underserved payday (at least Rolly made a fight out of it).

 

Yeah Shakur was a pussy here, absolutely did not want to get hit at all and refused to take chances. He was constantly jumping back to avoid shots and never made an effort to throw one hook or even a jab while jumping back. It was just: get out of range, don't bother trying to counter.

Also, where was the usual Shakur shit talking against his opponent during the build up? From what I saw Shakur was kissing up to how cool DLS sounded speaking Spanish and was overly respectful.

Where they won't have to watch fighters getting constantly robbed because of boxing politics like we arguably saw twice last night.

 

Floyd won easily often but rarely dominated (Corrales, Gatti, alvarez, marquez off the top) It is nearly impossible to really dominate when you don't have the threat to do damage.

Someone like RJJ actually dominated in most of his fights.

Dlh, cotto, maidana, pac, judah etc he won clearly and was in control but still lost 3-5 rounds in those fights.

 

I wouldn't consider that fight unimpressive from either in terms of a performance. You could still tell Floyd was one of the best boxers in the world that night.

 

Yet Floyd admitted himself Cotto was his toughest fight ever.

 

Oh on this I dont disagree. It being a close fight doesnt means PBF looked like shit

 

Shakur didn’t look good at all. Obviously he won and all, but I get the feeling he’s been rather unfocused lately. Worrying too much about shit he doesn’t need to worry about.

I think he’s the best in the division, but as X previously said, he’ll never be as good as Floyd or Bud.

 

Finally had a chance to watch the Stevenson undercard. I must say, some really good matchups. Definitely worth a look. Also, how many baby Vargas fighters are there?

 

That's a valid point. Everyone has an off night now and then and despite his somewhat defensive style that I'm not a fan of, there's no denying his immense talent. However...this recent performance might impact his marketability as his contract with Top Rank approaches its end. If you were Bob would you consider renewing his contract given the marketability concern? And from Shakur's perspective is a potential switch to PBC even with the chance of fighting less frequently worth considering?

 

I think these types of safety first boring performances are harder to get away with these days due to social media. Although Fury somehow pulled off creating a narrative that he schooled Wlad in a masterful boxing performance despite the fight being a drab cowardly affair. Nowadays your rivals are straight on social media shit talking your performance and the fans also have a voice. It's also easy to keep the memory of that crappy fight going. Floyd was lucky in that respect when you think about fights like the Baldomir fight.

 

Mayweather Jr vs Baldomir was like a saad muhammad fight compared to stevenson vs de los santos.

Mayweather landed 199 of 458 punches, while Baldomir landed just 79 of 670.

stevenson landed 65 out of 209 punches, while de los santos landed 40 out of 316 punches.

mayweather jr landed nearly twice as many punches as both these dudes combined.