Who beats Pernell Whitaker at his peak?

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  1. Xplosive

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    naw some other fagget named ron king said that
     
    Neil, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:12 PM
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    My bad. My recollection was off. But I seem to recall Double, nevertheless, justifying the draw.
     
    Xplosive, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:16 PM
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    Let's use Reed's logic to discuss who was better between Camacho & Duran. I'll preface this by saying I obviously don't agree with it.

    AIN'T NO NEED TO DISCUSS IT, BRUH! We saw them in the ring together TWICE now.

    Duran Fan: Wait! Duran was way past his prime and way over his best weight. Duran was a legendary lightweight.

    SO ARE WE JUST GONNA PRETEND THAT CAMACHO'S BEST WEIGHT WASN'T ALSO LIGHTWEIGHT??? Come on, BRUH! We've seen this twice now.




    Not exactly the same but you see the flaws in that argument.
     
    Wiser 1878, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:31 PM
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    Not saying that i agree necessarily with him, but two fighters can have the same prime weight, but still

    Yep, it's an incredbly flawed argument (even though I would pick the Pea confidently)
     
    Jesus of montreal, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:29 AM
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    For the love of Christ, Duran was 17 years past his prime when he fought Camacho.

    Chavez was rated as P4P #1 when he fought Whitaker.
     
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    Thats beside the point. Which is that two fighters can have the same prime weight, while being different in "effectiveness", at a higher weight
     
    Jesus of montreal, Jul 4, 2024 at 1:11 AM
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    "Chavez came in at a rock solid 142lbs and looked the best I'd ever seen him against Whitaker " - max kellerman
     
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    What was Chavez's most impressive win at welterweight?

    What was his most impressive win post Whitaker?
     
    Wiser 1878, Jul 4, 2024 at 2:51 AM
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    Kellerman, the biggest Whitaker groupie on the planet.
     
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    Clearly it's YOU That Doesn't "Get" It...

    As Stated in the Last Line of REED's Preceding Post, "Styles > Weight"...STYLISTICALLY, the Fuck is Chavez Gonna Do to Make it a DIFFERENT Fight @ '35????:Dont:...

    Feel Free to ELABORATE...

    Weight, Weight, Weight???...NO....Particularly w/Whittaker and Chavez, it's About STYLES...




    REED:afro:
     
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    REED:confused:
     
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    Whitaker’s greatest performance may have been against Hurtado.
    Totally fought differently.
    With the DLH fight on the horizon,…he stalked and brutally KO’d a young, dangerous guy
     
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    LOL!

    Since a cat has got Xplosive's tongue apparently. Maybe you can help him answer these.

    What was JCC's most impressive win at welterweight?

    What was JCC's most impressive win post-Whitaker?
     
    Wiser 1878, Jul 4, 2024 at 7:40 PM
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    Somewhere, in the Midst of Your Typewritten Laughter, REED Must've Missed Where You ELABORATED On Whittaker-Chavez Being Different STYLISTICALLY???...

    "Styles > Weight"...



    REED:pop:
     
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    We know it wasn't a draw but it was 116-112 at best for Whitaker. You guys act like it was a 12-0 shutout.

    I think mid to late 80s Chavez would have a very good chance with a prime 135 Whitaker. A better chance than the '93 Chavez who lost to Randall a few months later then never really had another top notch victory the rest of his career.
     
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    Yes he is. His bias opinion doesn't count lol.
     
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    How good was Hurtado really?

    He had a flashy 20-0 record with 18 KOs before facing Pernell Whitaker but who did he really beat? It's funny Pea fans love this fight because Whitaker knocked him out which is impressive since Pea wasn't known for his KO power having only about a 17% KO rate. And yeah Whitaker's win over Hurtado was a big deal, not because Hurtado was some all-time great but because it showed Pea's skill and adaptability.

    But lets call a spade a spade. Hurtado was the up and coming guy but let's look at his career after Whitaker. He didn't exactly become a legend. After losing to Whitaker Hurtado had a mixed bag of results, with losses to other top fighters like Kostya Tszyu and Vivian Harris showing he wasn't on the level of the best in the sport. So while Whitaker's win was notable, it wasn't against a fighter who went on to do great things. Hurtado's early record might look good on paper, but his later career shows he was just a rising star who never quite lived up to his full potential.
     
    Boxingfan25, Jul 5, 2024 at 9:52 PM
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    Wasnt Hurtado winning the fight before being koed? No way it was pea best performance
     
    Jesus of montreal, Jul 6, 2024 at 12:39 AM
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    I know I'm going to catch some flack for this from the cheerleading crew, but he has to be one of the most overrated fighters of all time. If you want to talk about a cult following, this guy is the Manson of boxing. And I blame that son of a bitch Kellerman mostly.
     
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    who's running this shit show? blatant raciss post ^
     
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    Pea was something else. So was Chavez. Wherever and whenever they fight it'll be close.
     
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    And forgot about Wilfred Benitez at 140….
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Overated? Who Whitaker? :eek:
     
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    Yeah
     
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    Peak beak?
     
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