Vergil Ortiz Jr vs Serhii Bohachuk / Luis Alberto Lopez vs Angelo Leo

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  1. Flo-Raiden

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    Lopez is KO’d!! Wow!!

    Fight of the Year and Knockout of the Year in one night!! My God what a night for boxing.
     
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    Leo with the gratist khtfko of our times
     
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    they need to be taking lopez to the hospital
     
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    Ortiz got a deserved win.
    He was more accurate,…and despite the 2 knockdowns, I truly think Bohachuk was hurt more times than he was,…despite the facial damage.
    Both guys are studs.
    Ortiz proved a lot in this fight.

    I think Ortiz will beat either Fundora or Spence.
     
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    The fact that Lopez got flatlined by one punch from a guy that isn’t known to be a great puncher,…is disturbing
     
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    Ortiz was much more spectacular - lets face it Bohachuk was mainly employing a PFP strategy (Plodding Forward Ponderously) but was relentless and tough as nails. Those 2 flash knockdowns of Ortiz probably flattered Bohachuk in a way, in retrospect.

    What I liked about Ortiz was that despite being gassed and KD'ed twice (and arguably behind), he bit down hard on the mouthguard and finished the championship rounds strong, giving him the win. Hes very very good.

    Him vs Tszyu will be something.
     
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    I suspect that Tim stops Vergil.

    I said this before...being that Tim is basically a less talented version of his daddy, he has the same stylistic strengths. The Tszyu style works well against straight up Mexicans who operate at midrange, and that's what Vergil is.

    Vergil can't avoid a right hand to save his life, and Tszyu has a lot more power in his right hand than Bohachuk does.
     
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    From what we saw Tszyu has a good shot, as long as he doesn’t get cut bad again. That’s the next fight that should be made for Ortiz. I don’t think he’s got what it takes to beat Bud other than a punchers chance. Ortiz vs Tszyu would be explosive.
     
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    Laid out flat. Lopez’s bad boxing fundamentals showed and paid the price.

     
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    Whether he's ready for Bud or not, it seems likely that fight is next.

    And to be honest, why wait any longer? Vergil is 26, it's not like he's 21. He's not getting any better. And Bud isn't getting any younger. There's no point at all in waiting. Vergil is no longer a prospect. He's as ready for Crawford as he'll ever be.
     
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    Thats what it’s starting to look like. I think this fight is meant to set up for Crawford vs Ortiz. And yeah you’re right this probably is the best time for these two to meet before Crawford gets too old.
     
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    Madrimov vs. Boha could be good
     
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    i think he could get better. if he's more active his precision and accuracy would improve, and that would translate to his power at 154. the kid had only fought less than 2 rounds in the last two years
     
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    Caught the highlights and I regret missing this one.

    Ortiz is flawed and limited, but I like him. He’s fun to watch.

    I think he loses to the real top guys of the division, though.

    Id like to see Ortiz va Fundora.
     
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    Yeah but Tszyu has the same limitations as his old man, he's a sharpshooter and needs time/space to pick his shots. If you crowd him with volume and power, you take that time and space away.
     
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    How do we know Tszyu style worked well against mexican? Cause he beat a criminally overrated MAGO and a decrepit chavez?
     
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    I'm no Kostya fan, but it's plain as day that his style worked better versus a certain type of fighter.

    And I think it's pretty obvious that I wasn't including JCC in that lot. Prime Chavez would beat the Hell outta Kostya and I'd never say otherwise.

    You're getting testy over a valid point. Tim's old man did well against mid-range Latino fighters.

    I suspect Tim would beat Vergil. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
     
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    I totally agree, but I wouldn't consider Vergil a swarmer.
     
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    No, but he has a higher volume that Tszyu and carries enough pop to keep him honest. If Ortiz manages to crack Tszyu a couple of times and stays close, it could work for him in slowing Tszyu's output down and make him overthink.
     
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    Im not going testy. I might be missing something, but i simply fail to see why you make such a statement.

    As I said, what good mexican in his prime did Tszyu destroyed?

    Seems like this reputation is only based on the MAGO fight and maybe the Ruelas fight (though he was clearly past it IMO)
     
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    Anyway His Excellency has told Tszyu to bugger off and is making Ortiz v Crawford instead.
     
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    Bud has been hurt before, and he's getting older. Plus Bud does have a tendency to get nailed with right hands. Because of those reasons, I'm not totally counting Verg out. He's got a puncher's chance.

    It's a long shot though. If Crawford has even 75% left, he'll stop Verg late. Verg's defense is horrible, and he ain't exactly Hagler in the chin department.

    Outside of Mikey, Robert Garcia has NEVER trained a fighter who could spell defense.

    Good luck with having an idiot like Garcia try to execute a gameplan against the highest IQ fighter of our generation.
     
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    Verg also isn't exactly Hagler in the stamina department.
     
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    Yup. If he hasn't banged out Crawford inside of 6, it's over for him.
     
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    ortiz showed a good enough gas tank for me. whatever power he has at 154, he carried it throughout the fight and hurt bohachuk in the 11th as much as at any other time in the fight.
     
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    Agreed let's see it as Co feature to Crawford ortiz
     
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    Yeah I'd give Ortiz a chance, he's young, doesn't quit and his workrate and handspeed/punch selection is great. He'll get timed by Crawford unless he's smart, but I imagine he'd be smart. Crawford won't press either, so Ortiz will have time to move around.
     

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