Ryan Garcia suspended, Haney fight ruled NC

In the end he still got Clap Back Thursday'd.

 

My point is yeah PEDs can give you an edge... but they don't replace skill, heart, or strategy in the ring. You still need to know how to fight. I brought up Fernando Vargas as an example because even with PEDs he lost to De La Hoya. That proves PEDs aren't the be all and end all. If it was as simple as taking steroids to become a world champ we'd all be out there buying them and winning titles, right? Obviously I'm being sarcastic but that's the point... PEDS aren't magic.

And I know where you're angling with this trying to make the case to legalize PEDs. But it’s not just about giving someone an edge or a chance of losing. The main reason PEDs are illegal is that aside from the competitive edge they’re dangerous substances. There are serious side effect...just like why some medicines get banned because they're harmful. Steroids are illegal for a reason.

 

PEDs are pretty close to magic. The majority of top fighters and I mean overwhelming majority are on PEDs.

EPO, diuretics to lose weight, steroids and growth hormone for strength and recovery.

Obviously there is a ton of skill in boxing so it isn't the be all end all. But alot of times all other things near equal... more stamina, more strength can be the difference maker. Benavidez looks all world at 168, fights a guy naturally bigger and stronger and looks alot more pedestrian.

Go workout for 5 years and be stuck at 250 lbs bench, than hop on a few cycles and lift 365. Run 3-5 miles a day for years with your best time being 7 minute miles, than take EPO for 2 months and run 6 minute miles. Attempt to get lean naturally and see that stubborn belly fat never go away, then get fat burning PEDs (or better yet drugs that allow you to maintain strength and energy levels while dieting) and see that 6 pack.

The drugs work, the make you way stronger more aggressive, increase your vitality, increase your stamina.

Obviously that doesn't make you a great boxer, but if you fought yourself on steroids you would never win.

And steroids are largely illegal for political reasons. Side effects are definitely overstated generally speaking. Taking them without bloodwork and outside of recommended usage is dumb and common, but alot of the information they were working with when they made them schedule 1 is outdated nonsense.

 

I agree Vargas looked strong in that fight but let’s not forget a couple of key points. First... Vargas is naturally a bigger fighter than De La Hoya which means he had size and strength regardless of any PEDS. Second they never fought before or after that... so there’s no way to definitively prove that PEDs made the difference in their performance.

 

Again, this is a strawman. I never said that PED translate automatically into a win (where does this come from? What kind of simpleton would say that takingPED always makes you win?). But loading your gloves also doesnt automatically translate into a win, but I guess we all agree it would give a hell of an edge. Same for PED. As WBC said, it's fucking pretty close to magic. (People who never took some have no idea how potent this shit is). Without PED, maybe Garcia fade down the edge and we all talk about how much resilience Haney showed, instead of him being a laughingstock. Yes., we will never know, but thats because Garcia decided to cheat and got caught (yes Haney probably on the gear also, but this is only speculation, so it's irrelevant). I find it really weird that you guys are blaming Haney for trying to obtain some kind of reparation against a guy that delibarelety cheated, and cheated him of millions of dlars.


As for my opinion on the legalisation of PED, it is irrelevant to this topic

 

Most people on this board (guessing) believe Haney is on some sort of gear. If we're starting from there, it is a bitch move on Haney's part. But maybe it is smart. And maybe it will pay off. But that doesn't mean it is not bitch.

 

If a friend of mine wanted to purchase said drugs where would they go about doing so?

 

If rocky Juarez is the prototypical hunter, is it safe to consider Haney a member of the plaintiff phylum, double?

 

Fortunately, baseless accusations based on speculations is not how laws works.

Yes Haney is probably on the gear, but untill he ever gets caught, its absurd to refer to this as some kind of defense for Garcia

 

IMO the weight (like 2+ lbs?!?) was a way bigger factor than the roids that Garcia got popped for and Haney didn’t. Doesn’t prove Haney was on a ‘level playing field’ as far as PEDs go anyways, just that HE didn’t get popped too, not to mention all the medical trickery that goes into dropping and gaining 20+ lbs over 30 hrs. Haney was already compensated for the weight, and that likely WAS the larger factor. Not only that but Haney has had the shit beat out of him and looked on the verge of getting dropped/KO’d by smaller guys in several fights leading up to the Garcia fight. Was just a matter of time, and frankly still is if he actually continues an ‘in ring’ as opposed to ‘in court’ boxing career.

 

Unless Haney can prove the PEDs is what caused him to get his ass kicked (he can't, Exhibit A Linares, Exhibit B mini Loma), then I don’t see how it’s a winnable lawsuit.

 

Bill and Devin know that the jig is up. Bill knows deep down that his son is food for elite fighters moving forward. That's why they're trying to get as much money as possible right now. It has nothing to do with standing up to peds.

 

I can't believe I agree with exposive for once. I don’t buy for a minute that they’re really fighting the good fight against steroids in boxing either. They’re obviously in it for the money. The Haneys have had controversy around them before too. Like rumors of Devin losing fights in Mexico but with his connections and influence he supposedly got those losses wiped off his record. And IMO Haney’s definitely a weight bully. Like when he fought Regis Prograis...he had around 20 pounds on him by fight night. Seems like all his cheating and bending the rules is finally catching up with him… he’s just reaping what he sowed. That’s why I don’t agree with the Montreal guy in joining the 'Devin Haney’s pity party". I'm not gonna be like “oh, poor Devin Haney.” I don’t buy that he’s some victim. Sure steroids are illegal I get it...but come on but he’s just trying to cash in on one last hurrah in a legal battle cos he knows he’s not getting any more fights after this. He wasn’t a big draw to begin with and now even less with all this controversy and his dad embarrassing him. It’s just ridiculous. Devin’s like the kid in one of those trophy-parent situations with Bill Haney acting like some overbearing trophy mom. Bad look for a prize fighter. Grow some balls and take your loss like a man jesus fuckin christ.

 

Devin works closely with Victor Conte. You can do the math.

 

Garcia's Counsel: Exhibit D...JoJo Diaz who also rocked him. Just more proof he’s had a chin made of glass from the start... your honor.

 

The last post I can agree with.

I lived in Las Vegas and frequented boxing/MMA gyms there and everyone played dumb in relation to PEDs.

A few of the popular S and C guys I'd mention certain things and they would act like I was talking rocket science. Anyways over time before I moved I began hanging around outside of gym, trying to bang the same chicks (was separated from wife :( ) saw them at casinos and BSed with them about drugs etc.

Anyways long story short they all were very familiar with PEDs and were just lying because they didnt trust me. Las Vegas is hotbed for roids. Alot of the fighters legitimate no nothing about it but the strength and conditioning guys are brought in mostly just to help them dope and cheat. Steroids are extremely commonplace and taboo to discuss.

The amount of canceled fights due to phantom injury that are really due to mistimed cycles is crazy.

Noone is trying to clean it up at all. And Haneys team was right in the middle of all that action. The odds that they don't know or assume nearly every opponent is on steroids/PEDs is zero.

 

Mexico if youre in the states. The internet if not. Anti aging clinics seems to be most common legal way but that's just for testosterone.