Artur Beterbiev vs Dmitry Bivol: Who Wins?

Loool, thats absurd. Beterbiev was struggling as hell against the same Gvozdyk that was fgthing on even term with a 41 years old decrepit Stevenson before the 10th round. Beterbiev defense is not more than ok, and his chin can be cracked. No way would that be a foregone conclusion.

 

Beterbiev is good, but hes far from the killer most think he is. He has great great pressure, but he's slow and pedestrian, and his chin is alright at best. Stevenson, probably because of his past, is really underrated. People seems to forget that he was in his 40's when he started to show vulnerabilities.

The hate for Stevenson is weird. He destroyed good fighters like Dawson, Cloud ans Bellew, yet you guys act like he was a bum. For what is worth (and its not worth much I agree), he looked a lot more impressive against Bellew than Usyk did. Let that sink in

 

When your top 3 scalps include bellend and a guy who just lost to a 48 year old man

 

48 years old?? Who the fuck are you talking about little neil?

And you can add Fonfara

 

I think Conteh could probably beat Beterbiev too. True his chin weren't great, but he still went 15 with Saad. That's probably harder than twelve with Beterbiev imo

 

Stevenson has a good stylistic match-up against Beterbiev and I could see Artur going down against the pimp, but I think Beterviev probably breaks him down as the fight draws out. Late stoppage win for Beterbiev imo.

The problem with both Bivol and Beterbiev is that the rest of the division sucks, and so they've not got the opportunity to prove how good they are except against eachother, which doesn't really tell us much given how the fight played out.

I think they're definitely both better head to head than they are in terms of greatness. I think if they were in the Spinks/Qawi era; they'd be fourth and fifth after Spinks, Qawi and Saad. I could see them both beating pretty much everyone else around that time.

 

Bivol has the near shut-out win over Canelo. Beterbiev until now, on the other hand, has what's become a typical Top Rank resume with wins over guys with nothing to lose.

 

Frazer Clarke has been discharged from hospital after treatment for broken facial bones.

 

That's what I felt too.

 

Personally i thought Beterbiev won close but clear - even the shots Bivol were blocking were accumulating damage and by the final two or three rounds he didn't want any of it. Fighting Beterbiev looks like fighting drowning- horrible.

 

I feel like it is harder to compare older generations just off of the eye test. Beterbiev seems like he would be even better over 15. Also he constantly comes into ring close to 195.

The way Saad Muhammad was physically overpowered by the shorter stronger Qawi just makes me assume Beterbiev would likely run through him as well. I know he was a little older and during his hot streak in the late 70s early 80s he was amazing, but by the time he was Beterbievs age it isn't even a comparison.

And agreed Stevenson seems like a bad match up for him.

 

The media claiming Bivol and his team are crying robbery over the defeat to Beterbiev. Such shit. Bivol has continuously showed respect and accepted the result in every interview I've seen in him. They're just trying to stir trouble and build tension between both sides. Ain't gonna happen.

 

Beevol said he felt "empty". That's it. He went no further.

There's a mainstream guy called Joe Barnes in the Telegraph or Times and he's trying to draw links with Kadyrov, the Chechens etc

It's all too much.

 

It's the way of the world, now. Everything has to be BIGGLY IMPACTFUL, with load of BEEF and STRONG PINGS on all sides.

Fast Eddie's pre-package rage is fucking boring. Connor Benn BEEFIN! with Eubanks Jr is fucking boring. Sacking judges 'cos dey iz CORRUPT!' is fucking boring. Pre-fight concerts are fucking boring. Post-fight interviews where the interviewer has nice tits and no brain are fucking boring. The Sweet Caroline mong-along is fucking boring. Sky TV asking failed journeymen ex-pros to tell everyone that they know best is fucking boring.

It's all fucking boring. These clownshoes have no idea how to showcase even the very best examples of their 'product'.

MTF

 

"Biggly Impactful"


End Stage Capitalism, simple as. There's no ideas left.

Dancing with the Strictly Cum Ballroom? He put his hand on my toddy, I feel uncomfortable.

Formula 1! ? It's all racist against Lewis, Michael Schumacher runs F1 from his bed. He nods his head and shit happens.

Football? Big clubs get all the decisions. Colleen was right. Rebekah is a slag. Klopp is a corporate shill and Jason Cundy knows the ropes better than the Chief-Rigger on HMS victory.

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It's everywhere. Absolutely fucking everywhere. Deflect,absorb, obfuscate, nothing gets properly discussed. Rage,holler, facepalm , guffaw, interrupt... the indicie of "experts" everywhere today.

 

The majority of the OOTRAGE is coming from either the usual suspects with horses in the proverbial race or mouths on social media who've likely never been anywhere near the inside of a boxing gym but rather instead heard the dippits on TV and social media cry foul and took their lead accordingly.

For example, look at this clueless goon:

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Apparently this clip, where Bivol retreats constantly with a turtle guard while throwing zero punches, is good evidence that he was WINNING this portion of the fight...

MTF

 

I read about some "historical" women's boxing fight the other day.

5 paragraphs into the story I was none the wiser about why it was historical.

I think they meant "hysterical".....

 

Kadyrov is a Muslim. He was in the ring afterwards. The fight was in Saudi. Beterbiev is one of these Caucasian Russians. What more proof do you need that it was INAPPROPRIATE!!!

 

It's an absolute race to the bottom. Nothing more than an appeal to the basest dregs at the arse end of the barrel. If it cannot be packaged in a 45 second clip for the viral consumption of those who simply cannot process more than one minute of 'information' at a time, it's no good at all.

Like I said. It's fucking boring.

MTF

 

Look! Proof!!

 

Pretty much. The analytical has been uprooted by the verbal and the hyperbolic. It's all about seizing that moment to make some "devestating" point.

It's Mark Anthony's speech to the mob, on steroids.

 

By far my favourite development has to be the commentators apologizing for bad language in the corners between rounds .

You just sat through 3 minutes of sanctioned life-changing violence but "fuck" and "bollox" might be a bridge too far.

All of this is delivered by guys wearing no tie, a jacket, button down shirts and slacks from Jacamo, finished off with some Skechers or Converse canvas pumps.

The banality of it all.

 

Yeah, but we don't know how good Canelo is at 175. We knows he not shit, but that's all.

 

Aaaaar, we knows matey, we knows.....