Jermaine Taylor vs. Felix Trinidad @ 160

The Tito of 2001-02 versus the Taylor of the last couple years.

Who wins?

 

Hmm , hard call ...

The Taylor that fought Hopkins would knock Tito out ....

However Taylor has never looked that good since ...
Tito might KO his ass ...

 

Oh man.

Trinidad in his prime (2000-2001) would knock Taylor stupider.:kick:

This thread is proof of how overrated Taylor is.

 

Tito by KO.

 

Taylor beats Tito.

Taylor's too strong for Tito to deal with. Tito would get in his shots, but he'd (Taylor) survive a few rough spots and win a decision.

 

Taylor would KO Tito no doubt about it. Just look at the styles clash!! No way can Tito deal with Taylor's combination of speed, size, jab, power and movement. No way.

Taylor TKO 11

 

Because Tito has had problems with wild, swinging, throwers like Taylor? :dunno:

 

Taylor is taller, has a longer reach and is physically stronger than Tito.

Tito had success at 160 against Joppy because Joppy isn't a big or physically strong guy.

You see how little success he had against two 160 guys who matched and surpassed his size and strength.

Out of the 23 1/2 rounds, Tito didn't win 4 rounds against Hopkins and Wright.

 

And Taylor's style matches up with two defensive wizards how? :dunno:

 

Taylor boxed fairly evenly with those two for 36 rounds so he just might be able to handle Tito too

 

Taylor won more rounds vs Hopkins and Wright than Tito did.

hell, Taylor won more rounds in the first Hopkins fight than Tito won against Hopkins and Wright COMBINED.

Also, the last time I checked, Tito wasn't a defensive wizard.

 

But styles make fights and those "two" fought Taylor completely different than they fought Tito. Not to mention Hopkins was about 4 years older.

I can accept that Taylor might be able to beat a Prime Tito, but based on purely physical advantages, which might not even exist (we're talking about Prime tito here), I just don't buy it. There's nothing in Taylor's "style" that leads me to believe he could become a "defensive wizard" like Hops or Winky.

 

Taylor's size could be a factor, but Taylor sometimes is a bit wild and he is no Hopkins or Wright defensivley. I think Tito catches Taylor in some point and lays him out.

 

Apples and Oranges. Styles make fights.

Also my point wasn't predicated on Tito's defensive ability (which wasn't bad to begin with) but on Taylor's willingness to engage in a shoot out. It's not Taylor's style to fight the way Golden Girl, Winky or Hops did against Tito.

 

Taylor has never been down...how many times has Tito been down by lesser fighters than Taylor.

I think Taylor's an overrated puncher "however" you can't guarantee that Tito can handle the incoming either.

 

Sure Tito's been down but he laid out every single person who put him down except Hops.

Taylor hasn't fought a puncher like Tito so him not being down isn't really saying much. He may be a solid puncher, I haven't seen it yet at the elite level. The last guy he stopped was shot former 154 champ Raul Marquez and that was a corner retirement.

 

Tito's power is relative to the guys he fought. Kinda like Arguello vs Pryor.

Taylor beats Trinidad at 160 hands down.

Tito didn't move his head well and was always a sucker for a right hand. Combine those two flaws, Tito never gets out of the way of the "bow and arrow."

 

Okay fine let's compare it "relatively" to the guys they fought.

William Joppy. Tito stopped him and had him drooling on the ropes, and Taylor had to go to the cards with the shot version of Joppy. How does this help your point exactly? :dunno:

Tito lacked movement later in his career but Tito knew how to shrink up defensively, and no one really clocked Tito and laid him flat out in one blow, he always was beaten through attrition. Taylor on the otherhand has shown even less defensive ability. He is about as open as a $2 hookers legs on Fleet Week. I still can't forget the images of 154 pound Kassim Ouma walking through Taylor's "Bow and Arrow" and punishing Taylor with combinations on the ropes.

Like I said, I have no problem with someone claiming Taylor can beat a prime Tito but your argument is just not very convincing, no offense.

 

Good point.:clap:

 

Taylor is too goddamn sloppy, and too easy to hit have beaten Tito. I dont care how much bigger he is than Tito, if theres one thing that cant be denied about the Puerto Rican zombie.... he could PUNCH! At any weight. And although at 160 he wasnt as quick, or as sharp as he was at 47 and 54 he'd still find Taylor. And Jermain's tendacy to fight back after he gets hit and hurt would be his downfall against Tito. Theres a reason why Taylor's never been in with a puncher.

 

Did you see either fight?

After Taylor dropped Joppy early, Joppy did everything he could to stay away from Jermain.

That's like downgrading Marquez because he couldn't KO Gainer.

 

Trinidad by KO


Taylor is too open to get hit just standing stiff, and he is all over the place when he throws the right hand...and backing into the ropes everytime his opponents attack isn't a good idea against Trinidad.

Right now gotta go w/ Trinidad...but in the future who knows. Let see Taylor vs. Pavlek or Miranda....

 

Taylor hasn't stopped a fighter since 154 Marquez, and he didn't stop Joppy even the shot version, fact.

Gainer is a pure boxer, it's very hard to KO guys like that unless they stick their chin out. Plus Marquez at that time was still in his counter-puncher mode. He only recently became aggressive to get paydays (good idea).

I notice you didn't even try to talk about Ouma, a guy Karmazin dropped plenty of times, but Taylor couldn't even slow him down. But hey I guess when you're argument is getting picked apart, it's easier to avoid points that make it look even more flimsy.

Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker, do you have a valid point to bring up or is that all you have? :dunno:

 

Trinidad's 3-2 at middleweight. His only wins at that weight have come over old fighters, only one of which was in the top 10 or 15. His whole gameplan at 147 and 154 was having bigger weapons than his opponent. Taylor's a better-rounded fighter, and fucking huge. Tito goes down... and out.

 

Just like Ouma who was in Taylor face all fight long...

 

::

Rubio utterly destroyed again.

 

Trinidad had nowhere near as good a chin as Ouma. Also, Tito didn't have the footwork to get inside the way Ouma did. He was completely befuddled every time he faced someone who could box and hit back.

 

All depends on Taylor's chinny chin chin...

nice revisionist history Rubio MHS.

 

Besides that, Taylor's much more rounded a fighter than Trinidad was. A better fighter? No. A better middleweight? Yes.

 

Taylor has a jab, therefore the fight is over.