Bautista-Medina: Standing Eight Count

The question I have is whether this was a good move by referee Robert Byrd.

Given the how much Medina was landing and the amount of time left in the round, I thought that Bautista was almost certainly on his way to getting stopped.

Should there have been a standing eight count?

 

Great move. If he had stopped it, it would have been bullshit. Anyway, the chinny Bautista was hurt and the ropes kept him from midget diving into the crowd. Great call. It is just a shame that one fo those two disgusting midgets didn't get ktfo. If you guys think Bautista is good or a future star, you need to retire. He is chinny and terrible.

 

I certainly don't think he should have stopped it at that point, but I do think Medina should have been allowed more time before Byrd took any action.

 

Geebus you guys are harsh.:nono:

First off it wasn't a standing 8 count, Bautista used the ropes to hold himself up, so Byrd called it correctly a knockdown. There was no standing 8 count in the rules last night if I remember correctly.

Rey Bautista is 20 years old and Medina was 28-0 and a former Olympian, it's not like he was some bum. This was the best opponent Bautista has faced and he got clocked, but CAME BACK to kick Medina's ass pretty badly and almost had him OUT in the 11th round.

He might be being pushed too fast for his age though. Look at Julio Cesar Chavez Jr, that guy is OLDER than Rey Bautista and he's still fighting in 8 round fights and fighting opponents like "Grover Wiley" and "Shad Howard", while Bautista is in line for a TITLE SHOT.

Bautista has potential to become a good and long reigning champion, he just needs to be developed more.

 

I hope he is never on TV again. Those two guys were terrible.

 

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It thought it was a good move. Bautista was hurt but not out. He is definately not a one trick pony I thought I saw him throw both hands in there. And he wasn't lunging into his oponent head first. :bears:

 

Bautista look hurt, I tought he would have survive without the ref. He might have been knocked down, but don't think medina can knock him out. When the ref started counting he was still moving his head. The ref did the right thing since he was haging on the ropes. The real story was, it showed Bautista's heart. This is the second fight I seen him in where he had get up and win most of the latter rounds. Not sure how he'll react if Ponce hit him. He could be out. I want to see him versus Bernard Dunn, that would be a good match. I tought Bautista was more hurt versus Espinoza.

Most people discredit a fighters after they get cought with a solid shot. They forget to see the good things. Bautista can pop a little, punches short, likes to go to the body, pretty accurate, has heart, and still learning. Most important he's level of compitition is going up, unlike the other young prospect.

 

He was using the ropes to hold himself up, while stumbling back. That was a knockdown, not a standing 8 count.

 

I know it wasn't officially a standing eight, but that's effectively what it was.

I think Bautista was out of the ropes by the time Byrd stepped in, and I disgree that the ropes kept him from going down.

He had his arm momentarily on the rope, but he wasn't going down at that point, IMO.

It seems to me a referee should use much more discretion in a circumstance like that and not penalize a fighter with a clear advantage.

 

No chin,no defense=no future. Pacquiao >>>>>>>>>>>> Batista

 

Whether or not you disagree is the subjectvie argument. The point is, that was the ruling and while I do think Byrd/Bird was late in getting in to make that ruling, I also think it was correct.

Bautista was hurt, he stumbled back, tripped up and used the ropes for balance to prevent him from possibly going down. Thats a knockdown.

If you want ref's to have discretion in circumstances like this, where do you draw the line? Why stop any fights where a guy is being pounded and has the advantage? Why count when a guy goes down on a knee to take a break? Why not fore him to get right back up and keep fighting?

These are the rules of our sport and I for one am glad that one of them actually made the right call. Hell, it was about the only thing he did well in the entire fight.

 

just cause he got caught once? he came back strong plus he is 20 years old.

Pacquiao got Kod back when he was a youngster too don't forget. And let's not forget that one fight when the ref saved his ass.opcorn:

 

Bautista obviously has a future. To suggest otherwise is off-base. BUT he does have a suspect beard. That was known before yesterday, but being hurt by someone of Medina's suspect quality is another nail in that coffin.

Still, if he could just improve his defense, it wouldn't be such a big problem. He simply eats too many shots flush, because he won't move his head.

 

Byrd is amongst the best refs today, and he called that fight and that knockdown perfectly.
That was the best fight of the night.

 

The fight was good. His call of the knockdown was good. His handling and over officiating throughout the rest of the fight was out of line and detracted at times from the action within.

 

Putting his arm on the ropes the way he did, IMO, is more like a fighter putting his glove on the ropes to steady himself...in no way did I think he was held up by the ropes or that he would have gone down had the ropes not been there.

I didn't see anything close to a knockdown.

Furthermore, Bautista was already off the ropes by the time he stepped in.

 

Well, Byrd is about the best out there now, and the best we are going to get for quite awhile, IMO.

 

I already agreed with you that Byrd was late in making the call. There is no point in saying it again. I AGREE WITH YOU.

Putting your glove on the ropes to steady yourself, while hurt? Thats well within the scope of the rules to class that as a knockdown.

If you don't think it held him up? Fine. You don't have to. Thats not the issue in concern with the rules though.

 

It is within the rules. He was hurt and stumbled into the ropes. Every referee has discretion at that point. Had he acted sooner, fine.

But Byrd waited until after the moment had already passed...and because of that, I think he was using it as a standing eight count and not because the ropes held him up.

 

I understand what you're tying to say he. As I said before, I think Byrd was late on the call (even if right) and was generally inept right throughout that fight. Still, late or not, I'd rather the right call than the wrong one and had Byrd stopped the fight there I believe he would have been making a wrong one.

That and considering there is no provision for a standing 8 count within the rules governing that contest, you have to assume it was his tardiness at play there.

 

I agree.

 

Pac was KO'd due to weight issues, he was fighting at flyweight when it was obvious he should've moved up a year before.

It's not like he was in his perfect weight class getting his ass beat IN HIS PRIME by guys like Freddie Norwood. You know, like your boy Fagquez?

If you're talking about the Nedal Hussein fight, you're full of shit. He was stunned by a hook/jab he never saw but it doesn't mean he was saved. The rest of the fight was a punch stat massacre, Pacquiao was beating Hussein to the head and body easily. That cut was legit and bleeding badly, fights do get stopped on cuts.

It was a worse beating than what Yawn Fagquez got against Freddie Fatboy Norwood. ::

 

At least this fight was competitive, unlike the Main Event::

 

Looking back I thought Bautista-Medina was one of the better fights last night, knockdowns and all, it could've been even better had one of the fighters got finished off, that looping right hand KD of Medina was sweet

 

Yes it was. It was an awesome fight.:clap:

 

I have the PPV on tape, the only fight I rewatch was Bautista/Medina. They should have added Paez Jr to open the card in a 4 round fight. I hate 3 fight PPV. Specialy if their adding an extra 5 bucks.

 

To me after watching Bautista through a dozen fights, his style to me is going to end up being very similar to Felix Trinidad's, while Pacquiao seemingly has an Aaron Pryor style.

 

I kind of agree. Obviously the two are not on the level of either of them (Pacquiao is PAST Pryor, IMO), but they fight somewhat similar.

If Bautista doesn't learn how to move his head though, its going to be taken off sometime soon. He doesn't punch so hard, that he can ignore defense at the higher levels.

 

Strange I thought at one point watching it that he clearly held him self up with his arm over the rope. Centre ring? He'd be down. That's a kockdown everytime. The ref got it right.

In regards to the over officiating? I thought he did a good job. Bautista went low consistently until he was pulled up on it.