WHY did Oscar abandon his JAB???

It was extremely EFFECTIVE. If it didn't connect to the head, he was throwing it to the chest, driving Mayweather backwards and making him reset and with that STUPID smile on his face, every time he landed it.

He could have used it as his FOUNDATION for follow ups with the left hook and body attack and CRUISE to a decision.

Mayweather SR would have TOLD him. "You could beat my son easy, man. USE YOUR FUCKING JAB then prrrrrrrrr....where's my 2 million?"

 

it wasn't the night of the jab :nono:

 

That's the million dollar question!

 

Oscar simply lost his focus and stopped throwing the jab.

Opponents who fight guys with that style usually make the same mistake because they get intoxicated with landing right hands over the top.

Floyd fans will say it was the fear of the counter, which is bullshit. If that were the case, Oscar would have stopped coming forward altogether. And it's not like Floyd threw that many counter right hands over it anyway.

Oscar getting away from his jab is no different than the mistake Rahman made, which caused him to give up rounds to Toney, which led to a draw. It's no different than what Peter did in the first match with Toney. When Peter jabbed in their first fight, Toney couldn't do anything. Peter got away from the jab and made it closer than he needed to. In the rematch, Peter stayed on his jab and easily beat Toney.

Granted, one would think Oscar's wiser than Peter and Toney (he is) but he made the classic mistake most guys make against that shoulder roll defense.

 

i KNOW KNOW...

But it sure as hell wasn't Mayweather counter right over the jab...:nono:when DLH was jabbing all Mayweather could do is repreat into the ropes or corner. He wasn't doing shit...

De La Hoya starting losing teh fight lwhen he started looking for one big bomb without jabbing. Then Mayweather threw the lead left hook/right hand combos...and most of the times they were blocked...i don't want to see a rematch...but if their is one...i think DLH takes it this time around...which suck cause it will lead to a trilogy...:dunno:but maybe thats good for boxing.

 

i don't know, but it was effective as hell, to the point that i wouldn't rule out that the fix was in. when ODH started throwing it, PBF would start laughing, because laughing is what guys like him do when suddenly they're out-matched.

i'm pissed that ODH stopped throwing the jab. it's as if he wanted to lose or get a knock-out. that's how he fought.

 

I was waiting for your retarded ass to show up with a shitty post.

You didn't disappoint.

 

You dont agree?

 

what did i say that's retarded? do you deny that ODH was ruling the ring when he used his jab? and that it's puzzling why he didn't use it more?

 

How long did he use it for?

 

Just saw the fight,... maybe Oscar didn't throw the jab because he appears to have ZERO stamina,.. I think aside 'da money' this may have been the reason Fraud wanted it so much,..run, run, turn your back and duck when pressured, jab, run, run, run, from corner to corner, jab to the body, run, run, run... and let Oscar's pnuemonia-level stamina work it's magic. Oscar helped make the fight boring with a LOW ouput and an abandoned jab ofcourse ^, but I don't think he had a choice as his endurance is clearly abysmal, and Mayweather knew this long ago, the fight could've been like Castillo 1 if Oscar unloaded on Fraud's turned back and body more, but, who knows, maybe the output was deliberate, maybe this uneventful shit was truelly a fix, we'll have to wait and see for a possible signing announcement.

:crafty: Unlike Oscar, Margarito is an opponent who CAN onload infinite punches on Fraud's cowering body, he knows Antonio brings 12 rounds of unrelenting gruel, and evidently, it scares him shitless.

 

It's been a long time since I've called you "Double Idiot."

This statement has forced me to dust off the old moniker. It's certainly applicable here.

 

Did you see the fight?

 

Ok. So maybe the question is, why does ODH's stamina suck so bad?

 

I agree... when ODH threw the jab, he was in complete contol of the fight. I have no idea why he did not commit to it.

I had the fight 115-113 for Mayweather, but I felt like the entire fight that ODH could've easily won the fight had he just committed to the jab.

With that said, I think much like the Trinidad fight, De La Hoya laid the blueprint for how to beat Mayweather. Stick a hard jab in his face/chest and apply pressure - Mayweather seems to completely fall apart when this is done.

 

also, he starts laughing in an attempt to down-play the fact that he's being dominated.

 

Please go and swallow some pills. Enough of them that you go to sleep, for a VERY long time.

 

just call it like i see it. seems like ODH could've won easily if he'd jabbed. for some reason he didn't. i'll never understand why. and so far nobody has provided a legitimate explanation.

 

The blueprint to beating Mayweather was laid out by Roy Jones when he embarrassed James Toney so many years ago.

If you don't have the skills of Jones, stay on your jab like Peter stayed on his in the rematch with Toney.

Bigdawg and I talked about this yesterday and I said that Oscar should have followed Tarver's strategy in the first Jones match. Tarver was wise enough to not crowd Roy when Roy was againstthe ropes. He kept his distance (for the most part) and kept Roy at the end of his punches.

If you crowd guys, they'll cut you up when you're coming in and going out.

 

As far as the fight being fixed, I remember a Tyson quote:

"You say you are my friend, then FIGHT me then..."

In other words let's make millions together. Oscar's grin at the end of the fight wasn't happiness of a victory, it could be viewed as WE did it.

But a fix is completely UNPROVABLE when there is COLLUTION between a handful.

 

I hate to say this but (especially if there is a rematch) I almost felt like the fix was in as well.

Mayweather could have stopped Oscar - he tagged him with some rights a few times and hurt him pretty good. He just never followed up. In fact, every time he landed cleanly he seemed to hurt Oscar.

De La Hoya had a pretty good jab going but never committed to it - he just followed Floyd around like an idiot. It wasn't like Floyd was throwing so many punches. His excuse of "It wasn't the night of the jab" sounds pretty lame.

Ah well, maybe I'm bugging. But I was kind of disappointed.

 

so you think both fighters had to exercise restraint? in order not to dominate the other?

 

Am I the only one who thought so? Sure looked like it. Maybe I'm bugging but if I hear anything about a rematch, I'll be convinced.

 

maybe. but i don't think there's any way PBF is gonna KO ODH. the only time PBF's offense bothered ODH at all was on the counter, when he got ODH with something he didn't see.

i think PBF could've avoided some of the punishment he took by moving more, but i think he was making a conscious effort to be less boring - i don't think it was a fix. i think PBF genuinely expected to dominate ODH.

as for ODH, i know he got tired. but strategically, he just fought stupid if you ask me. if i were Roach, i'd be pissed. he fought so dumb it looked like he was letting PBF off the hook.

and i don't think PBF countered the jab once. he's not tall enough to do the pull counter on ODH!!!

ODH gave no angles either. he moved around all night like a sloth! and he still got a lot done. maybe he's just old.

 

That piece of $hit fight reminded me of some WWE bullshit, im gonna hit you a bit then lay on the ropes and i'll hit you back BUT no-one needs to get really hurt.opcorn:
If they rematch i wont watch it- they suckered me for my first guap they wont get me again.

 

I was most impressed by Floyd's power. He hurt Oscar in the 5th with two consecutive rights. He also hurt him to the body a couple times and there were a few instances in the championship rounds where he rocked him again. But then he would just...stop.

 

he just stopped because in fact, ODH was not hurt. and trading with Oscar was exactly what he needed NOT to do.

 

A little apprehensive of a counter? Floyd may not have countered the jab often, but the clean, effective rights that he repeatedly bounced off of Oscar's head was on Oscar's mind.