How Much Irrepairable Damage Is Done To Floyds Legacy By Not Beating ODLH??

You just have to win the rounds the best way you can. Whether it be using movement or coming inside and firing or whatever.

You judge it on clean punching, ring generalship, defense, and effective aggression, not "desire".

 

No shit. That has to be the most retarded saying in all of boxing.

 

Who knows?

The point is, the myth about the challenger having to "take the title from the champ and showing desire" and all that is just that, a myth.

Judges are trained to score on 4 categories, and not told to give the close rounds to the champ.

 

Was he really effective?

That's why he lost the fight. He wasn't landing enough.

I dunno why you're arguing this with me, didn't you say Mayweather won?

I said Mayweather won a competitive fight. I never said it was a whitewash.

Frankly, I thought Mayweather's performance was underwhelming. It was a terrific defensive effort, but his offense was mediocre.

 

NOT if the "6 weight champ" has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights (to Sturm and Hopkins) and is considered on the verge of used up, as Oscar was coming in.

The fact is, out of all the top tier welters and jr. middles he could have chosen for a big fight on Saturday (ie: Mosley, Margarito, etc.), he chose the one whose style and circumstances were the most made for him, and yet the best he could do was stink his way to a close decision. On top of that, Hoya was the first truly big fight he's had since the Castillo fights years ago, and he looked just as much a stinker in those fights too, even in the one fight (yes, ONE) that he actually won. If Floyd retires now, that's what he's going to leave as his legacy. It may not be a bad legacy, but it isn't exactly a great one either.

 

:cheer: I had no idea there would be so many Fraud haters in here?, :bears: this is quite a pleasant change, it's a much better atmosphere post-fight than I thought it would be.
:nono: My biggest gripe with him, above all, is that fucking illegal 'turning and ducking' tactic masked as "defensive brilliance" in scribes and on messageboards. "Shoulder roll defences" are illegal,..they should be shut down immediately because they're unfair without the equal legalisation of kidney and spine shots, Fraud even turns his fucking head to protect his chin now,. for christ sakes... "defensive brilliance"...I'm not even gunna mention his elbows, forearms, palming off, the rest of his chronic felonies,..his style is 80% illegal, but "flashy" like an illusion.

 

I don't know, I always felt Oscar was a tougher matchup stylistically than Mosley. Not quite as fast, but a better jab, better parrying skills, a little more versatile, his combos seem more fluid. I think he's more clever too. There was always the rust and inactivity factor, but De La Hoya surpassed my expectations the other night with how he looked physically.

 

:bears:

 

I think one of the worst style match-ups for Mayweather could be Dzinziruk.

 

The Hoya that fought Mosley got tired late in a FAST PACED fight against a pot shotter who could actually PUNCH. And a guy that probably would've beaten Floyd on that night too.

Even if a prime Hoya chose to fight that fight against Floyd (even though he's also capable of mixing in his footwork and boxing skills against that style of fighter, as he showed in the Mosley rematch), he'd still stand a good shot at beating him.

 

Well said that man. No doubt floyd has defensive skill and his reactions are excellent, but a lot of his defense is cheap, ducking right down, turning away too much to the point of being illegal etc.

Fighters should just thump his spine and smash him on the back of the head when he does that.

 

I think the handspeed of Mosley would be a very decisive difference, not to mention that Mosley has simply looked better and shown more energy in his last couple of fights than Hoya has. Even when Hoya won against Mayorga, he was reduced to looking like little more than a flatfooted puncher, with none of his old movement and boxing ability. Granted, that's basically just what Mosley is himself, but he's always been much better at fighting that way than Hoya has (which his own two fights with Hoya proved).

 

Actually, that's not a fact at all. The fight was first offered to Mosley but he rejected.

Say what you will about DLH now that Floyd beat him, he's still a much better fighter than Margarito and would beat him.

 

Gee I wonder why Shane who works for Oscar would turn down the fight. ::

 

NOT based on anything that's happened in the last 2-3 years, he wouldn't.

 

...and last time I checked (which was shortly after Mosley beat Collazo), there was a WHOLE THREAD in this forum with people saying that Mosley would be a tougher stylistic matchup for Floyd than Hoya would be.

 

Too bad his tooth prevented us from seeing that fight 1st.

 

I know, that's what I always thought.

I wanted Mosley to just say "I want to fight Floyd but I have to listen to my boss Oscar" instead of talking about vacations and dental appointments.

 

Or is it the other way? Doesn't Oscar works for Mosley? Shouldn't he get Mosley the big fights? if Mosley is too much of a pussy to go against his promoters decision and is happy to fight former champs that's his fault. Seriously, now some people wanna hate on Floyd because he "chose" to fight DLH and not Mosley. Jeez. :notallthere:

 

When was this date offered to Shane??

 

I think that it was for Last November.

 

Ahh yes - and he recommended Floyd fight Margarito.

 

Nobody is hating Floyd for not fighting Mosley. I'm just pointing out why he didn't take the fight. As if it wasn't obvious.

 

I've been thinking about this a lot the last two days. Floyd won, no doubt about it, but the way he won isn't pleasing to a lot of people. Here is my grand unification theory...

Floyd and Roy are alike in the fake that they minimize the risk they have to take. Roy on occassion did it by fighting guys with no hope of touching him. Floyd on the other hand fights a style of fighting which minimizes the risk he has to take in the ring, no matter who his opponent is. I don't know why I interject that here, maybe I just didn't want my drivel to litter the board elsewhere.

 

EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER WHO EVER LIVED...would try to minimize the risks they take in the ring if only they had the skills of a Roy or Floyd to do it.

Who would deliberately get their brains bashed in...if they had the skill to avoid the punches?

 

Mel Taylor for one. And it's a case against deliberately getting your brains bashed in.

 

There's been a lot of guys who had boxing skills but too much of a brawling temperment once they got tagged hard.

Mayweather is smart and fights to the best of his advantage, even if it may not make for a more action-filled, crowd-pleasing bout.