Is the shoulder roll defense legal or not?

I'd punch you in you smart ass face too for the record.

 

FTA disagreed with you about the gloves, saying, "since when?" because historically, there have been fights at 154 made with 8 oz gloves. then you come on and say, "really? i thought...." not very convincing. sorry but i can't take your word for it.

 

Yeah well I turned out to be right. And you were wrong.

Same deal here. ::

 

you didn't turn out to be right. not in any absolute way.

 

i'm still waiting for the proof. and i have a feeling i'll be waiting a long time.

 

Luckily for you, the thread was lost when Cupey fucked up the boards.

 

It's up to you to prove otherwise. You can't hit a guy on the back. Prove to me you can.

 

I have to grant it to double L... dude is often more wrong than anyone I know and keeps being proven wrong yet here he is, arguing yet another lost cause.

 

OOOoooOOOooooooo...ouch.

 

and here you are, without proof, without an opinion (of your own anyways), and without anything to add. why are you here again?

 

Double L.

Prove to me you can hit on the back.

 

why is it up to me? i stated that it wasn't. you and FTA told me i was wrong. i think it's on you bro.

 

Stop pretending you're not afraid.:nono:

 

that's not the argument. it's illegal to hit someone on the back. unless he's turned his back to you in which case it is not. nowhere have i claimed that under all conditions is it legal to hit on the back.

 

No but we hold the correct, logical opinion. You hold the wrong, stupid one. It's up to you to prove your ridiculous claim that you can hit on the back to be correct.

 

I know what you're claiming.

 

Steve Dave stop being a bitch. :nono:

I agree with Double L. If Fraud Gayweather Jr turns his back and I'm a fighter, I'd be all over that bitch. Kidney punches, spine busters, and a few ass punches just to let him know I'm not fucking around.

Besides that shit is not meant to hurt or anything, those guys were 10oz gloves. Feels like tickles.

 

I'm not asking anyone what they would do. I'm saying it's ILLEGAL to hit on the back, no matter what.

 

What is it there to add? You're wrong.. as always. You can't hit in the back.

 

:: I can't believe I'm even arguing this.

 

Well, to play devil's advocate, I'd be really surprised if a ref penalized a fighter for punching the back of his opponent because he gave him a part of his back while trying to avoid a punch. I remember when Klitchko faced Peter, a lot of people here were justifying Peter's continuous rabbit punching by saying Klitchko was bringing it to him with his defense. I think there can be a grey area depending on the ref. Obviously I speak strictly from a common sense perspective as I don't know what is the precise ruling on this situation.

 

Two wrongs make a right.

If Fraud Gayweather Jr turns his back and ducks and rolls his back into punching range, I'm punching the shit out of the back of his head until he plays fair. You can't rely on the refs to help you in that case. It's kill or be killed, that's what this sport is about. :blobbox:

 

It's true. sorry. You shoud really stop acting all high and mighty all the time. You come off as a condescending asshole.

 

I agree with this man. This is a genius post. :clap:

If an opponent gives you their back, you take what you can get. This is war, not flower picking. I hope the next guy Fraud Gayweather fights recognizes this and starts pounding that back into submission. I hope he crushes Gayweather's spine.

 

I agree and so do a bunch of others. Nobody is arguing if it's legal or not. I KNOW it's not legal to punch in the back or on the back of the head.

 

I'll kick you in your vagina Baron! :tease:

 

Exactly. I'm all for punches directly into the spinal cord, kidney lacerations, and skull thumping hammer fist if someone turns their back. That's part of the game.

This is war people, it's killed or be killed.

Just like Denzel Washington said in the movie Training Day, "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."

"Do you wanna go to jail or go home?"

"King Kong ain't got shit on me!"

 

Try but my guess is that your foot will probably break when it'll hit my balls of steel.

 

i can never tell if you're being serious or not. but spinal cord injuries and kidney lacerations? you've gotta be kidding, right?

i'm not proposing that fighters hit their opponents in the back in the hopes that they inflict serious injury. i'm proposing they do it in order to deter their opponents from defending themselves illegally.

i do like the idea of a skull thumping hammer-fist though. :: i can't remember who, but i can remember distinctly fighters doing this before. perhaps Golota?

 

Guess I'd have to watch it again to see how far Floyd was really rolling his shoulder over...but I'm not going to subject myself to that fight again. When I watched it the first time I thought nothing of it...wasn't until I read it here that I started to think about it.

The more I think about it, though, even if you just rolled it to where you were showing your opponent only your left side (like you were essentially standing sideways with your chin tucked, right arm up at your chin and left arm across your midsection) the only part he could hit you in with his right hand would be your back/kidneys/back of shoulders (to me the back of the shoulders is part of the upper back.) So to me that is "showing your opponent your back"...maybe not like turning around completely, but like turning halfway, using a "no hit" zone as a shield.