Who is the best trainer in boxing today?

Joe is good when he has someone in there with a fire under them (Diego, Casa) but can be way too nuturing when he has a fighter who needs coaxing (Viloria, Guinn, Mosley). I will say this though he is the best at communicating what they need to do just not the urgency in those types of fighters.

I didn't consider Manny because of late he had been a trainer for hire type guy rather than building fighters from scratch. If guys like Bank and Andy Lee pan out then I might take that perception about him

 

Who have Roach, Goosen, McGirt or Mayweather Sr. build up from scratch? :dunno: Lots of fighters have no loyalty to their trainers, who know them, and care about them like sons. At the first opportunity they run to the big name trainers, who don´t know them, don´t care and charge 4-5 times the money.

 

A bit off-topic, I think Jesse Reid is quite underrated as a trainer. He just needs to get another top fighter in his stable who will stay with him long-term. Wasn't Orlando Canizales with him for a long time?

 

my wording sucks I probably shouldn't have said from scratch as there are probably not many but Freddie has pretty much made Manny Pacquiao the fighter he is today as well as Vazquez (although Vazquez is now going to Justin Fortune now). He is training Vanes who is turning into a fine prospect.

I mentioned Manny only because he would be the only one I would consider among Freddie and Nacho in terms of being consistently good to great. Those you mention I don't consider truely great trainers

 

Off-topic? I think Reid fits quite appropriately in the 'Other' category.

 

Makes sense to me... Reid trained Uncle Roger Mayweather who IS on the list of candidates?

 

I like Roach as a trainer but , Goosen giving the advice in the ring if you know what I mean ...

Roach was too easy on Delahoya in the corner. I think someone like Goosen would have pumped him up more ..

 

Goosen would have pumped his ass. I don't know. It has to be hard to have a gay guy, rubbing vaseline on you. Goosen is gay and therefore not the best trainer.

 

It takes years to develop a relationship strong enough between trainer and boxer to really motivate someone like that.

 

The fact that Ronnie Shields is one of the choices ruins the credibilty of this thread.

I really don't see how Nacho doesn't get the nod. He's the only guy who consistently builds solid fighters. The rest of the guys step in to train made fighters.

Honestly, isn't Hearns the last guy Steward had from start to finish?

Ronnie Shields really improved Dominick Guinn didn't he? Al Mitchell made Vernon Forrest. Willie Savannah laid the foundation for Juan Diaz.

Roach has helped Pacquiao, but other than that I can't think of any other prospects he's really helped...in the past few years he didn't do much for Viloria, Ben Dunne, Vicente Escobedo or Jeff Lacy.

 

Roger

Mines!! I will prove the doubters wrong about Roger, you will see another top Pound For Pound fighter really soon!!
Then will be two great fighters that Roger trained!

 

did he help Lacy?

as for Escobedo I think its more him going from trainer to trainer than Freddie. Dude couldn't decide who he wanted to train him. He went from Goossen to I think Roach then his old trainer in SJ back to Roach then finally with Nacho now

 

Buddy McGirt:bears:

 

lacy breezed through Wildcard and worked with Roach before heading back to Tampa and settling in with Birmingham.

 

speaking of Roach if he trains Hopkins next will he abandon his stable again?opcorn:

 

I pick Nacho, but would like to have seen Dan Birmingham's name on the list. I realize there's an "Other" section, but Dan deserves a better fate.

Now that Oscar de la Controversy is at the end of his career, Freddie should be back to full time amongst his crew. If I ever allowed my nephew to box, I'd probably want Freddie or Dan to train him. When Nacho permanently hangs up his manager's hat, I'd be more willing to offer his name as first choice.

 

Isn't Birmingham the guy who trained Reid in the ams and then in the pros? If so, I thought he did a trash job with Reid.

 

If you're talking about David Reid, that was Fred Jenkins I think.

 

Jessie Reid is the best shittalking trainer in boxing. He sure had some choice words for me on a few occassions.

 

"Move, fatso. I can't see the ring."

 

I am not fat. Many people have met me. We should meet up, buddy. I'd love to meet you.

 

"Man, those ring steps are poorly constructed. Oh, wait. That's just some fatass."

 

i thought al mitchell trained reid.

 

"Hey look. That handsome man is about to shoot Zach Handscum with a super soaker. I hope it is full of piss."

"Yeah, why is Handscum crying and why are his eyes falling out. Shit, dude. His face is melting off."

"Well, it is probably an improvement."

 

You're right, I think Jenkins took over after Reid and Mitchell had a falling out, but Mitchell was there at the Olympics so I'd say he was the main guy for most of David Reid's career.

 

Tell me. How big of a towel does it take to wrap around your fat head?

 

"Why is Zachary wearing a spandex leotard?"

"Is that Zachary in the alley with a rubber tube tied around his left arm?"

"I never studied Quantum seriously???? Bollocks." - Stephen Hawking

 

A huge one. About the size of a small car which is about the size your wife's pussy needs to feel anything.

 

I would vote for Nacho.
Ronnie blanking out???:dunno:
I am surprised pug didn't vote for him.