Most well rounded fighers in terms of attributes.

By "attributes", i mean things that could be put on a stat chart as in a video game such as punching power, hand speed, chin, defense, stamina, boxing skills and so on.

It doesn't have to be fighters that are elite at every level, but no particular area is considered a weakness either.

Oscar De La Hoya for one example is a very well rounded fighter, but his stamina leaves something to be desired so I wouldn't include him.

So basically if you were to just look at fighter on paper and rank them only in such individual categories, the guy would be no less than a '7' in any particular one and for the most part above.

A few names i would say would be

Emile Griffith
Marvin Hagler

 

Hopkins

 

...

Ray Leonard

 

Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Wilfred Benitez, and the best of the middleweights, Carlos Monzon.
When you put it all together, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Joe Walcott, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson, Johnny Bratton, Jack Johnson, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Ike Williams, Joe Brown, Henry Armstrong and Bob Foster all rank high in those categories.:bears:

 

benitez and monzon, but not Hagler and Leonard?

 

Many all time greats who were fairly well rounded but there's a few names who are easy to eliminate.

Saad - defense
Benitez - chin

If footwork was a category certainly Louis.

I don't mean to take shots at your list, just saying there aren't many guys that can make a list like this. It takes absolutely nothing away from them though.

 

Sal Sanchez.... :dunno:

 

Yeah, i'd have to say he meets the "standard".

 

I think any fighter that takes Ray Leonards', Thomas Hearns' Carlos Palominos', and Roberto Durans' shots flush without being stoopped (forget about Padilla in the Leonard showdown) has a pretty good chin.

 

he's not blazing quick but he sure is well rounded.

Leonard is the answer if we have to pick one. Dude is flawless

 

Hearns broke his hand, he SCHOOLED Duran (my favorite fighter), he beat Palomino good as well.

But when he actually was chin checked, he went down...alot

 

I am not even going to comment on that assinine post.

 

I don't know how many "flush" shots Benitez took against those guys. Benitez was a master defensive type fighter. His reflexes enabled him to avoid or at least roll with most of the power shots he took, and his skills enabled him to survive even when he was buzzed. Later in his career when his reflexes eroded, he lost by some clear KO's. Not saying his chin was shit, but i think you could can put a question mark next to it.

 

Benitez was a GREAT fighter...but he did have a weakness, like everyone. And his was his chin.

 

what did I say that was false?

 

Well i don't think he "schooled" Duran.

 

asinine* - extremely or utterly foolish

Yes or no did Hearns break his hand?

Yes or no did he beat Duran soundly?

Yese or no did he beat Palomino handily?

no for some more, Yes or no did Leonard drop him before the stoppage?

Yes or no did Hearns drop him in their fight?

 

my thoughts on Duran are well documented, and Benitez won 10 rounds

 

Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez
Bernard Hopkins
Mike McCallum

 

I agree with those

 

Pretty good list. I'm a huge fan of Chavez, but his hand speed and power even a pound over 140 were lackluster.

A 130 to 135 Chavez i think makes the list though.

 

Carlos:
You ought to lose this punk, for real.
He contributes very little to this website and we would all be better off if you kicked him out.
Karl

 

is that what you do when u are confronted with logic and sound points?

 

Yeah, I think his hand speed would his "weakness", although he wasn't slow, he wasn't really that quick either.

But overall he was a well rounded fighter.

 

rjj at his best was very well rounded. he could fight inside, outside, had speed, power, defense, good chin.

srr of course.

throughout history, i think the best fighters have all been well rounded.

duran
sal sanchez
m. spinks comes to mind
holyfield

i think the sign of a well rounded fighter is one who cannot be dominated. a guy like benitez who went tooth and nail with the best of them. and he didn't go the distance with hearns and duran and have a bad chin.

lennox lewis was well rounded. he could slug if he needed to, box from the outside, go to war if he needed to.

ibeabuchi in his short career showed amazing breadth for a guy his size.


really i think it's the exception when a guy with glaring weaknesses has areas of strength that are enough to compensate. guys like frazier with his determination, j. jackson with his power, tito with his combination punching, la motta with his will, qawi with his pressure.

 

dsimon writes:

This is similar to a list I would make: aw fuck it lets go with Hopkins, Monzone, McCallum, Toney, Michael Moore and Chavez. I ain't crossing eras because it was a different game in some respects.

 

Except he couldn't punch. If someone like Rahman or Maskaev had caught Byrd on the point of the chin with his mouth open, Byrd wouldn't have made the count.

 

Michael Moorer certainly doesn't get great "marks" across the board.

Monzon is sort of an enigma though. Certainly no big weaknesses to speak of. Hard to rate his individual abilities on a scale like this.

Nobody can deny his greatness, but to me personally he's the most boring great fighter of all time. He was so effective at what he did, that he seemed to never have to perform anything other than his standard "routine".

It sort od reminds of me of a documentary i saw on the Chess player Bobby Fischer. The Russians were by far the best nation in the world at the game. Their greatest players studies his tactics and tried to create their own to counter his. Most said his style (Fischer's) was fairly predictable. However as much as they knew about Fischer and his game, they still couldn't do anything about it.

It seems analgous to Monzon. He didn't overwhelm people with awesome power, didn't dazzle them with speedy combinations and never peformed some unheard of unorthodox moves, yet always won.

 

Monzon didn't have top-notch handspeed, but he was so incredibly strong at 160 that he didn't need it.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson, obviously.

Ali...only possible weakness is lack of one punch power.

PRIME Roy Jones Jnr...was IMO, the perfect fighter. In a videogame he'd MAX in every category.