Most well rounded fighers in terms of attributes.

Carlos was amongst the best I ever saw in the 60's and 70's along with Bob Foster and Ali at using his superior height and reach advantage to his maximum effectiveness.

 

Not chin.

 

The same video game that had DLH and Hopkins having the same power at 160....and Gatti, Ward, Hatton having similar SPEED and POWER than Sugar Ray Robinson at 147......

:crafty:

 

McCallum

 

Shane Mosley. Statistically stacks right up there with all the best fighters ever. Great chin, stamina, heart, hand/foot speed, along with decent to good power and defense.

 

You are easily the biggest Mosley nuthugger I've ever came across.

 

Defense?

With a nose like that?::

 

Thank you, thank you.

 

Go ride a motorcycle.

 

Ray Leonard is the first guy that came to mind. Not particularly great at a few things but good enough overall in all departments.

 

Floyd has everything you could want.

 

dsimon writes;

Good post :bears:. I am speaking strictly well rounded here.

 

I remember a guy from second's out named MASSMAN that was at least 10 times worst. He typed everything in caps and was convinced Mosley was the greatest fighter ever (That was before the Forrest debacle).

 

dsimon writes:

I disagree with you totally but I am interpreting the thread specifically to mean well rounded in a conventional boxing sense.

1) It is hard to tell the extent of RR's actual bread and butter skills the same way it is hard to tell how a Ferrari would compare to a Gypsy Cab on Spadini Street in the snow with chains on... RR coud be out brawled occasionally but beyond that it it impossible to say because RR was so gifted he could take a strong point and dominate.

2) Jones is in the same mold, though his chin was always an accident waiting to happen. Again, an opponent never got to see Roy's base tool box and the fact that Roy had weaknesses was always academic... but he did have weaknesses. Tarver showed that Roy could be psyched out and that his chin is shit.

3) Ali had power because he had speed. his weakness was that he threw very few types of punches, not that he didn't have power. Ali could KO with a jab Sly... that is some power. With Ali he used a different set of tools! So in a sense you can't compare his tool box to a traditional boxer. Ali used footwork that is more characteristic of the martial arts than boxing.... Specifically Tai Sabaki.

 

dsimon writes:

Floyd has problems with power (his hands and the way he sets his punches up). Floyd also, because of the style he fights in does not utilie a jab. Floyd can't fight inside.

Aside from that he would be the guy I would pick. Toney is one of the few guys that sets punches up like Floyd and uses a similar shoulder roll techniqe. Yet Toney also can utilize the jab, can combo punch effectively and has power. Toney can also fight inside.

 

Floyd is a very good in-fighter.

 

Floyd has a good jab. Sometimes he under-utilizes it, but I've seen his share of fighters where he is effective with it. It's an educated jab and he can go upstairs and down with it. I've seen him fight effectively on the inside as well.

In fact, seeing him fight well on the inside actually made me rather dissapointed in how he fought De La Hoya. He was so quick to clinch Oscar when he got close. De La Hoya isn't really much of an in-fighter, he does most of his damage at mid-range. But Floyd was apprehensive about being up close with Oscar and just held him quickly when he got close.

 

Agreed with Steve_Dave and Erratic, the only reason Floyd shouldn't be mentioned here is his lack of power and frail hands IMO, not his or jab or infighting ability.

 

Ponce Deleon
Ricardo Mayorga
Jose Luis Castillo
John Ruiz
Fres Oquendo

 

dismon writes:

Floyd can handle himself inside but I don't know if I would say he fights from there... maybe I will look at some tapes.

Regarding his jab: I just think his style does not allow him to use a jab often. So I guess one could say that his jab is not lacking. Yet Toney who to me seems to fight a similar style does manage to utilize the jab more often.

 

dsimon writes:

Zab Judah.


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Peter McNeely?:dunno:

 

the great James Butler.

 

There are three James Butler's, right?

 

James Butler to the Thrice power

 

I don't understand.

 

take the square root of Butler and multiply him by himself. This equals James Butler to the Thrice power.

 

why you guys always bustin my balls?

 

I don't understand?:dunno:












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Cory Spinks