HERE AND NOW....RIGHT HERE AND NOW...ABRAHAM BEATS BOTH PAVLIK AND TAYLOR.

Y'all musta 4 got....Abraham fought Miranda with a broken jaw for 8 rounds and still whipped his ass. He popped Edisons cherry that night, read him is rights, so to speak. You can't just come along now and say that this Pavlik kid has done it all and that he is the man etc. Of course, you Americans will dress it up for your own benefit to have the big deciding fight between the hopeless Germaine Failure and Kelly "Holmes" Pavlik but the simple unpalatable truth is that Abraham has done it all before them........

 

I thought Abraham quit (like European fighters love to do) in his fight against Miranda, no?

 

What are you suggesting, that Abraham ruined Miranda? He won on point deductions, he didn't win more rounds, and he got his jaw destroyed. Miranda ruined him. Pavlik wipes the floor with Abraham.

 

We´ll see about that, hopefully.

How do you know he ruined Abraham, who´ll fight next week for the first time.

How often was Miranda warned for low-blows yesterday?

Other fighters actually have something known as defense and counterpunching skills.

 

No.

Abraham W 12 Miranda.

www.boxrec.com mutherfucker.:bears:

 

FALSE.

Official Scores:

114-109 ABRAHAM

115-109 ABRAHAM {LARRY HAZARDS CARD}

116-109 ABRAHAM

NOW...for those of you who can't add/subtract.

114-5= 109 = DRAW

115-5= 110 = WIN for AA

116-5= 111 = WIN FOR AA

So..even without the points, Arthur had him by a Maj Dec

 

:bears: Nice to see a bit of ethnic diversity on your shortlist for once,...just out of interest, have you ever ridden a carpet before?...:crafty:

 

No, the carpet is pulled out from under me, I never have the chance to ride it.

I march with the Swarthy Abraham.....an Orthodox Phalanx swings West to face the Hussite Pavlik.

 

I will, of course, check out this boxrec link you supplied when I have some time. But I clearly remember watching Miranda-Abraham fight on TV, and Abraham was asked whether he wanted to continue to fight. And Abraham clearly said "No", he wanted the fight to be stopped. At that time I switched the channel on my TV, because when a fighter quits in the ring, he loses by TKO (you should be well acquanted with that boxing rule, being a fan of Vitaly). And you're saying to me now that Abraham somehow won that fight, despite losing by TKO?? :dunno:

 

If you take away the point deductions, Miranda and Abraham fought on mostly even terms. That fight obviously took more out of Abraham than Miranda. And Pavlik just destroyed Miranda. So based on those premises, I don't see how anybody can come to the conclusion that Abraham beats Pavlik.

 

You must be thinking of a different fight. Abraham endured hell to outpoint Miranda although I thought Miranda won if not for the point deductions. I thought he out-landed AA and landed some monster bombs.

Abraham showed balls of steel and an amazing will.. I would love to see Abraham-Pavlik.. It would be a great matchup..

 

I am no Maths swiz, but, mathematically, the equation Abraham w12 Miranda suggests that somebody called ABRAHAM won a 12 round fight with somebody called Miranda.

Outside of that, you may have a point.

:notallthere:

 

No, I'm quite sure that during the fight Abraham was asked whether he wanted to continue. He said "No", he wanted the fight to be stopped. At that point, I assumed that TKO loss is in order and switched the channel on my TV. (and, as always, I was quite disgusted to see another Euro-fighter quit)
I just don't see any way a fighter who quit could have been declared a winner. Not even Germans would go THAT far........or would they??

 

Unfortunately, as pertinent as your points are, it seems that Miranda, a guy who has now lost twice to upper-tier comp, is getting more attention than the guys that have beaten him.

As far as I can see, if you want your career to last forever, you can go to Germany, lose, and tell everybody you won. That way even when you lose again, you can serenade people with tales of how you won. In Germany. In a fight you actually lost.

Abraham and Pavlik are the men of the moment.

Taylor...is there. Barely.

Miranda....needs some major wins to relaunch his career.

 

If a fighter is standing against the ropes, and is getting beat on, and he screams at the top of his voice "I WANT THIS FIGHT TO BE STOPPED" and then he KO's his man, did he win by KO or lose by quitting??

This "quit job" by AA had to be the most spin-doctored event of all time.

He wanted to retire within the rules. When he realised the rules did not permit his retiring and winning by DQ, he wanted to fight on.

Which he did. For 7 hard rounds, during which time he showed no sign of quitting. Surely 21 minutes of combat afforded his qutting tendency an opportunity to resurface? Obviusly he is not a qutter.

Try not to be such a trolling scumbag.

When the error of his understanding was alluded to, AA fought on.

Case closed.

BTW...Miranda is toast.

 

Did Abraham say he did not want to continue fighting? Yes or no?

 

No.

 

Well, then obviously we watched different fights... :dunno:

 

Or listened to different conversations.

How good is your German?

 

Good enough to understand when a German fighter (be it Quitaly or otherwise) quits :dunno:
I mean, Vitaly quit against Byrd, right? Did I understand that correctly or was Vitaly declared W12 winner as well against the hard-punching Byrd?

 

Glad you brought it up.

Vitali quit....no decision win for Vitali.

Abraham didn't....decision win for Abraham.

It should be clear now.

 

But how can that be? I followed the same pattern when I watched these two fights....As soon as the white guy indicated his desire to quit, I switched the channel (because, frankly, I am quite disgusted by quitting white guys)...and now you're saying that in one scenario a guy was declared a winner and in another one he wasn't? :dunno:

 

No....one guy quit. And lost.

The other guy didn't...and won!!:cheer: :cheer:

BTW...every post from here on in from you gets reported. Fuck off and troll elsewhere.

 

I'm totally confused and bewildered right now :dunno: :dunno:
Sometimes,a Euro quits and he's a winner, sometimes he quits and he's a loser :dunno: :dunno:
Orthodox, since you seem to be an expert on European fighters quitting, would you mind if, from now on, whenever another Euro quits (should be quite often, once about every fight or so), I will ask you on what really happened, so you could clarify it for me?

 

Orth you're off your nut. Abraham struggled badly in that fight, got his jaw broken, and barely won.

Pavlik just beat the fuck out of Miranda last night, I saw it.

You haven't even seen the fight man.

If Pavlik does fight Abraham, I'll bet on it - are you game? Pavlik would fuck him up too, not a doubt in my mind.

 

Now we're talking....


Abraham got badly hurt and won. He was winning handily up until he got his jaw busted...and he said afterwards that if he hadn't been injured thus he felt he could have KO'd Miranda.

Pavlik has ONE decent win...over a guy Abraham beat.

Miranda was on his ass in his last fight. Maybe Miranda was there for the taking.

For my money...Miranda punched with a puncher and seems to have come off worse.

For sure, look at Abraham..he is no limited puncher.

He is a competent sound boxer. If he was a puncher, he would have been KO'd eventually by Miranda. Instead he boxed to victoire. An impossibility if he was a limited puncher: like Miranda is.

Do not dress Abraham and Miranda up as being the same style of fighter: they are not.

 

Ali struggled badly with Norton, got his jaw bust...and barely lost.

Foreman walked thru Norton.

Finish the sentence......:nono:

Norton fought the wrong fight against foreman. Ali fought the right one.

Anybody who thinks Abraham is going to just go toe2toe with Pavlik...:nono:

Abraham has fought these tall guys before too.

Abrahams resume, to use Reeds parlance, shits on Pavliks.

Yes I will sig bet you if they fight.

 

Well, Orthodox did predict that Vitaly will become 3-times world champion by knocking out Maskaev.....so, I see no reason not to belive him now, when he predicts Abraham's victory :clap:

 

Of course they're not, but the fact remains Miranda managed to bust abraham's jaw and have an even fight with him. I give credit to abraham for having the guts to fight on, but in the same vein you have to credit Miranda for breaking his jaw in the first place.

He is a puncher, and his punching power broke abraham's jaw, there is no "what if his jaw didn't break" his jaw DID break :) He fought a pretty big puncher, and got his jaw broken, punching is miranda's only strength so you can't take that away from him.

I am not an abraham hater, I guess quite simply I don't see what the fuss is about. I don't think he's anything special. I think he'd get the shit beaten out of him by Pavlik and Calzaghe, and would have an even fight with Taylor, as Taylor does with everyone.

I don't bet wrecklessly on boxing, only when I am pretty damn sure. I would bet money on Pavlik over Abraham.

 

The "fuss" over Abraham is a response to the "fuss" over Pavlik who has managed to beat a guy that Abraham beat.....9 months ago.

Broken jaws are a rare phenomenon..you can hit a guy 50 times in the mouth and never break his jaw. You can kill a guy and never leave a mark on him.

Yes, we always knew Miranda was a puncher. He broke Arthurs jaw...yawn. Arthur still won. Will Pavlik break Arthurs jaw? What if he doesn't. Try and remember that Arthur has beaten all styles....Pavlik has this ONE WIN. And he has been FORVER getting there.

Question#: Could Pavlik fight 10 rounds and win against Miranda, with a broken jaw? No.

Why: His style. His style wouldn't permit it.

Fuck it...I root for whitey all the time. As soon as I don't, I'm being unreasonable.:notallthere:

Interestingly.....nobody has questioned Abraham beating Taylor:dunno: