HERE AND NOW....RIGHT HERE AND NOW...ABRAHAM BEATS BOTH PAVLIK AND TAYLOR.

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Hilarious.

 

Boxing Without Bullshit.

 

This clip reminds me of why I don't like Miranda ::

I didn't figure Pavlik would decimate him in a close quarters fight

 

????

 

Speaking of Bullshit....listen to this for a magnificent piece of horseshit:

Give 'the Ghost' this, he has been more than willing and able to do anything to get a shot at the belt. Back in January, he would brutally stop Zertuche in what was thought to be a WBC eliminator.

"That's what it was supposed to be," said his manager Cameron Dunkin, chuckling, "but now of course we're fighting a second eliminator."

But beyond any recognition or mandate from any sanctioning organization, this was an opportunity to cool down the hot 'Pantera' and place Pavlik as America's top middleweight contender.

"When I talked to Kelly, he said, 'Look, I'll fight my way to the top and whoever I gotta fight, Zertuche, Miranda, I'll fight whoever. Whatever it takes, I'm willing to do.' Which I thought was pretty neat that he was willing to do it."

Actually, both Pavlik and Miranda should be commended for facing each other instead of just sitting on their lofty rankings.


WHat is this guy talking about...before facing Miranda, Pavlik had faced:

JL Zertuche
Lenord Pierre
Bronko McKart :doh: {Not even a fucking middlweight}
Zunniga
ROSS THOMPSON BY 8 ROUND DECISION {Ko'd at 154 by Vargas 6 years ago }

...and then to top it all off, having fought Pierre himself, Kelly signs off with:

"Personally, I don't see what the whole hype is. He stopped Willie Gibbs in the first round and ever since he did that on HBO, he's been boosted up into this unstoppable beast. Willie Gibbs is a guy who was getting beat by Lenord Pierre until he knocked him out in the 12th round.

Thats HARDLY a stunning resume: and whats more its hardly PROOF that Pavlik was prepared to do what was needed to get a shot at Taylor. Miranda was fighting and losing to Abraham 9 months ago. ...and that was AFTER Abraham had something to lose.

Abraham for his part has fought, outside of the common Miranda, Ikeke {Freddie Roach fighter} Jantuah and Eastman. He fought Shannon Taylor in a gimme first defence.

Yet here's Kim talking Pavlova up like Pavlova was some sort of a big risk taker.




here's the full link http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim051607.asp

 

It's a private forum, mate. You're not allowed to discuss it here though.

 

Then PM a nigga.

 

Well Tam, especially for a middleweight, after coming forward non stop, throwing a lot of punches and walking through everything a big puncher was offering - I am confident in his ability for a long, tough fight.

He looked surprisingly fresh when he was beating the fuck out of miranda in the 7th round, after a fast paced, action packed 6 rounds. I think he proved his toughness, chin, and to some extent his stamina.

It's a serious question though tam - what do you think is good about abraham?

I thought the eastman fight could have gone either way, and without the deductions - the miranda fight too.

 

He was visibly hurt. Eastman was just to big of a joke to do anything about it. I was all the way correct.

 

Poured what on? Abraham was breathing in the last 4 rounds like he was about to hyperventilate.

 

you think too much


the maths suggests that the fight was Abrahams without the deductions anyways.


114-109
115-109
116-109

LESS 5 from all scores = 109-109, 110-109, 111-109

PS...the fouling was taking a lot out of AA, so that has to be considered too. Then again, you are big into thinking, so I'm sure you won't omit it. Thanks.

 

I don't see what you are trying to debate here. Yeah without the deuctions Abraham deserved to lose in most peoples opinion. I See a draw at best. However, I think 4 of 5 Miranda's points taken were pretty legit so I didn't mind what happened. Let's not pretend like it wasn't a competitive fight though because that is BS.

 

Abraham BARELY beat Miranda and many people feel it was a home town decision. Kelly Pavik beats the living shit out of Miranda and stops him in 7.

How this leads anyone to believe Abraham would beat Pavlik is beyond me. If all you're going by is their common opponent, Pavlik clearly has the edge here.

Pavlik KO 5 Abraham.

 

Trinidad beats the living shit out of Vargas Wright didn't even get a decision - how this lead to Winky school Tito is beyond me...

Foreman beats the living shit out of Frazier... Ali ... opcorn:


i could continue over 100 pages with that shit...

 

True, but Pavlik would still beat AA up something fierce.

 

if Tito hadn't been humiliated before by Bernard then i'm sure people would have picked him over Wright by demolition...

I dunno what the deal was when Ali fought Foreman but i think most people thought the same.

 

Sure.

But I just think Pavlik is better. AA has never been impresive to me.

 

Please note that I have for years stated that AA is the worst title holder in boxing. Pavlik would murder him as would JT. I would pick Pavlik in Germania.

 

Please note that I have been right there with you since day 1 of the Abraham bashing.

 

You never struck me as simple-minded. How long do you follow boxing? ADRIAN STONE stopped Thompson, Pavlik went the distance with him. Shall we conclude Stone would destroy Pavlik.

 

So noted.

 

Sure - maybe he would have been impressing if he didn't got his jaw broken in the Miranda fight. I don't like people to credit this as a big accomplishment for Miranda. People have been hit to the jaw harder and more often than that and nothing happened but some make it seem like Miranda planned this or sumthing. - That's just a freak accident and nothing more...


That being said i'm not very optimistic about Abraham's chances in that fight, as well but i would bet my house on him at least not getting toasted by Pavlik in 6 rounds like Miranda got.

He would give a much better account of himself i'm sure.

 

maybe of the champions u know... which are maybe half of the ones existing...

 

I am not a typical American. I download and follow the European and American scene. I could care less about Asian midgets so in that sense you are correct. AA is the worst title holder among weights that matter in the American/European scene. The worst BAR NONE.

 

i would say he is not worse than Shannon Briggs, Krysztof Wlodarczyk, Valery Brudov, Enzo Maccarinelli, Clinton Woods, Alejandro Berrio, Felix Sturm, Kermit Cintron, Ricardo Torres, Mzonke Fana, Robert Guerrero and maybe Zsolt Erdei if u go by accomplishments alone... ::


and that's only til featherweight...

 

I would disagree furiously. I think Sturm would masturbate on AA. I really felt he lost to Jantuah and Eastman and Miranda. He is putrid.

 

This whole thread is about bums.

Pavlik, Taylor, and Abraham are all members of the bum club.

Pavlik is a bum with a right hand.

Taylor is a wild swinging bum.

Abraham is a euro bum.

I never saw so much conversation and debate about bums.

 

Let me guess your vast knowledge of European boxing led you to this conclusion. :: ::

 

Sturm showed his vulnerability against Castillejo... it has to be seen if he could hang with Arthur in terms of skills u r right though. Jantuah i don't know Eastman no way u should really rescore the fights and be a little more objective since u know a part of u just wanted to bust our german asses with ur hatred.

Since u didn't argue with the rest of my list, do i have a small point that he's not the worst? :crafty:

 

Corey Spinks is a bum too who got knocked out by a bum who will get knocked out by a bum soon that almost got knocked out by that Torres bum.

And u even start threads about those people... shame on u Alabama... ::