The IBF: Broken or Broken beyond repair?

The IBF doesn't even try to act like they care about the sport.

It seems like they have stripped more champions than they have crowned, recently.

Their champions are the apparent weakest in several weight classes...Berrio, Molitor, Guerrero, Fana, N'Dou, Cintron, and a few others might be.

Their rankings system is ridiculous to the point of glaring stupidity. Why? Well, if you feel there should be 10, 12, or 15 people eligible to automatically fight for your title, at least for voluntary defenses(afaik, the main 4 are all at 15), then shouldn't there be 15 people ranked? Of course, but what does the IBF do? They blackmail fighters...making them fight eliminators, instead of just 'earning' a ranking by beating other fighters...to what result?

Well, if you look at their rankings...http://www.fightnews.com/rankings2.htm
as of May 20th...

you will see that the IBF has vacancies at the top of a few of the weight classes. How few? How about every single fucking weight class has at least one vacancy (17). Eleven weight classes have at leat 2 vacancies in the rankings. Two weight classes (JB and B) even have 3 vacancies...no champ, no #1, and no #2.

 

Still better than the WBO.

 

Great argument.

 

At least the IBF enforces mandatories. The WBO throws belts at random assholes, hopes someone good will beat them, and let's its fighters take on even more random assholes. Prince Naseem Hamed's still the best champion they ever had.

 

The IBF 'enforces' mandatories to a fault..hence, strip strip strip the champ. And the WBO's champs look noticeably better than the IBF's right now, especially their champs who might be worse than the IBF's.

 

Let's take a look at the respective champions

Heavyweight: Wlad (IBF) is better than Shannon Briggs (WBO)
Cruiserweight: Wlod (IBF) is better than Macaroni (WBO)
Light Heavyweight: Clinton Woods (IBF) and Edrei (WBO) are equally sucky Eurobums
Super Middleweight: Calzaghe (WBO) is better than whoever the IBF has now.
Middleweight: While some might argue for Abraham at this point, Taylor (WBO) is better than Abraham.
Jr. Middleweight: Corey Spinks (IBF) is better than Dzasseiwelkj (WBO)
Welterweight: Margarito (WBO) is better than Cintron (IBF), although they both suck.
Jr. Welterweight: Torres (WBO) is better than N'Dou (IBF).
Lightweight: Diaz (WBO) is better than Diaz (IBF).
Jr. Lightweight: Klassen (IBF) is better than Guzman (WBO), but they are both far from the elite of the division.
Featherweight: Roberto Guerrero (IBF) is better than nobody (WBO)
Jr. Featherweight: Steve Molitor (IBF) is better than De Leon (WBO)
Bantamweight: Jhonny Gonzales (WBO) is better than nobody (IBF)
Jr. Bantamweight: Fernando Montiel (WBO) is better than nobody.
Flyweight: Darchinyan (IBF) is better than Navaez (WBO)
Jr. Flyweight: Solis (IBF) is better than Sazares (WBO)
Strawweight: Rachman (IBF) and Caldaron (WBO) are about even. I felt like giving Rachman the edge, but I was afraid I might be picking him simply because he's IBF.

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I have it 8-7-2 in favor of the IBF, but it is fairly close. Point taken, although a lot of the best WBO titlists also held the IBF title, but stayed with the WBO because it doesn't enforce mandatory defenses. It's simply easier to be a WBO titlist, and I don't like that. I mean, you only have one mandatory a year. How hard is that? The IBF does let its champions defend the title, knowing that no matter who wins, he'll be stripped. In Michaelczewski-Hill and Hopkins-Taylor I, to cite the two biggest cases, the defending champions were 11 months late for defending against their mandatories, and it is unfair to make the mandatory wait another 12 months.

 

WBO is clearly better.

 

Your sig doesn't work, and N'Dou will lose his next fight .

 

N'Dou is fighting someone half decent, in his hometown, on his promoters card, in a fight thats almost guaranteed to go 12. Big suprise.

And whats my sig?

 

Hmm... It wasn't working a second ago, and you're just picking N'Dou because you like him.

 

Dzinziruk is a better JMW than spinks. Agreed with FTA about wlodarcyzk, as much as a bum maccarinelli is, I wouldn't be too sure the pole is a class above him.

 

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Klassen isn't even a titleist anymore. Fana is and no, Guzman is not worse than that guy.

 

I agree

 

All of the major sanctioning bodies are broken. The IBF intentionally leaves vacancies for the top spots to collect more sanctioning fees, the WBA has 3 champions at cruiserweight to collect sanctioning fees, and the WBC recently got into a big problem involving their granting of a champion "emeritus" title to Shitali Quitschko.

Sanctioning bodies are stupid and broken, it's been this way for years. Are you guys seriously just realizing this now? ::

 

What's rediculous is we are argueing who is worse, the IBF or the WBO:laughing:

Its an endless arguement, because they both suck. But then again, so does the WBA and the WBC. These are so called the 4 legit titles in boxing and they are all corrupt. I have never been a guy to like government intervention, but boxing is just about there. We need a real system. One, possibly two organizations with commissioners who make fights rather than greedy promoters. Boxing is stuck in the dark ages, and unless we are willing to think outside the box, we will stay there.

 

I'm still hoping for someone to step up and defend the IBF policies I've criticized. So far, Alabama Man's rather obvious 'they do it for the sanctioning fees' and Rubio's 'at least the IBF enforces mandatories' are the only attempts.

Well, there are better ways to collect sanctioning fees (the minor titles, eliminators to achieve mandatory status without leaving the spot blank) and enforcing mandatories needs some common sense...i.e. why the fuck would Hatton get stripped after winning back his title and wishing to fight Castillo before facing the winner of an eliminator that hadn't even occurred, yet?

The IBF's system is fucked up. Even if their vacancy bullshit had logical sense, the fact that vacancies exist in all 17 weight classes pretty much proves that it ain't working.

As far as mandatories...I think their enforcement is one of the most important reasons for sanctioning bodies to exist...but the IBF has taken the concept so far that they not only cut off their nose to spite their face, but cut out their eyes and rip off their ears.

 

Their shitty ranking system along with their crappy mandatory defense policy that is enforced when they want it to be is two of the biggest reasons why we don't have the best fighters facing each other in every weight.:flip: Throw in greedy ass promoters and its a miracle we ever have title unification.:doh:

 

So you started this thread to find a defense for why the IBF is fucked up? :dunno:

I thought it was to discuss whether the IBF is broken or "beyond repair?

btw, I don't know where you got that I was "defending" anything in this thread. I pretty much called all the sanctioning bodies shitty.

miKE acts as if the IBF is all that important or something in their policies is different than the "other" sanctioning bodies. It's the same shit with a different recipe and they all want more money. That's the problem when you have 3-4 profit seeking entities in one sport seeking legitimacy. Boxing will never be as big as Basketball, Baseball, or Football because of this lack of a single entity to set forth the rules and guidelines. You want to fix boxing? Get a billion dollars, buy out all the sanctioning bodies, and make a boxing version of the NBA, NFL, etc.

As it is this thread really makes no sense because it's attempting to critisize boxing through the guise of a shitty sanctioning body. It's totally irrelevant.

Maybe I should start a few threads myself.

"The WBA: The merits of a Super Champion!"

"The WBC: To steal or not steal a title"

"The WBO: The 2 year mandatory song and dance!"

"The WBF: Computers make us legitimate!"

I think all of those topics would be just as relevant as this one.

 

Much better.

I am not attempting to criticize boxing through any guise, however. I stick up for boxing as much as anyone. This thread is about an attack on the one sanctioning body (of the four that matter) that is based in the usa, has some oversight, and has ended up with some really ridiculous policies.

Your potential threads are not as harmful and/or ridiculous, imo, as the IBF stuff.

I would have gone with IBO and not WBF for the computers, btw. If the WBF still exists, it is far, far down the ladder, even compared to the IBO.

The IBF's policies are different than the other sanctioning bodies which is why i've singled them out. And, I'm pretty sure they are still a non-profit company which actually might have something to do with their stupid policies if you think about it.

The main 4 organizations really don't 'compete' with each other in the same way that corporations compete. As long as a fighter is indifferent to the title, and I believe they almost always are, it comes down to other factors. The IBF's bullshit directly corrupts these 'other factors.'

 

I don't know why you think the IBF is non-profit, maybe because it was initially formed as a non-profit org? That probably had to do with no one knowing who the fuck Bob Lee and his shitty org was at the time, but maybe that's just me.

All of the major sanctioning bodies are profit seeking entities. The IBF basically said fuck you Carlos Baldomir, we don't care if you beat our champion Zab Judah, you didn't pay us so you're not champion.

I know you probably put a lot of thought into this thread, and maybe wished that it might lead to something constructive about saving boxing, but this thread is shit.

Now excuse me, it's gym/lunch time.

 

If every other year, boxings 4 big abc's made their champions fight, it would create a "superbowl" like atmosphere for boxing, especially at HW. The PPV numbers would be huge and the PPV's would be stacked with great fights. But these abc dumbasses are two narrow minded to even think of this. They could spend the next year having the top ten duke it out for a chance at the superbowl, it would be great:bears: :cheer:

 

Perhaps I believe the IBF is a nonprofit because it is a nonprofit. Good luck proving it's not.

 

There are more unifications now than there were in the past. The sanctioning bodies aren't set up to encourage unification bouts. While I said they don't compete in the typical sense, they are separate entities. The best we can hope for is that they permit and perhaps accomodate their champions who wish to fight other champtions. The IBF is the worst about this, imo....another criticism that could have been in the OP.

 

I saw a unicorn made out of choclate. Good luck proving it's not.

 

You aren't the brightest bulb. This isn't about proving a negative, it's about backing up your claim that the IBF is not a nonprofit. Good luck.

 

So you can't prove it's not made out of choclate? That's what I thought.

 

As a matter of fact, I can prove that:

 

Circular logic? That's what I thought. I knew this thread was shit.

 

This is the shittiest topic I've seen in five months.

 

Too bad you don't know what circular logic is. Or would that be 'circlar' to you, like your 'choclate' unicorn?