So tell me again how the UFC isn't aligning itself with boxing

His rematch with Corrales absolutely bombed. Castillo is not a draw at all.

 

Sounds better to make stuff up sometimes.

 

Or to pull it off of Wikpedia. :dunno:

 

I was there, listening to all of them.

 

Yeah, that's legitimate. :laughing:

 

His evidence is me. I told him that.

 

ohh so he does lie then. :shit:

 

I think this is the first time I've read one of your posts that wasn't about MMA. Do you actually watch boxing?

 

you think it is random because you have a very small amount of knowledge when it comes to things like jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, and wrestling.

you can analyze MMA even more so then boxing, but naturally the outcomes will be of a greater span because instead of just hands, you can use hands, feet, elbows, knees and wrestling.

how does that make it an inferior sport?

on any given day any NFL team or NBA team can lose to any other,how is this any different.

 

What is boxing?

 

True.

 

In fact, part of the reason UFC has improved is because it was able to shed it's birth: a showcase for Royce Gracie and his various submissions. His fights were predictable on his end, because you knew the fight wasn't goinng to end on a Grace KO. How is that better?

Once the competition went up, so did the random nature of the fights. I don't see improved competition as a bad thing, and based on the egregious opponent cherrypicking in boxing, maybe they could learn a lesson or two from MMA.

 

Patrick Smith didn't "know" that. Now he does.

 

I think Rampage is a better striker than belfort. chucks fight w/ bustamante is closed, you can even argue that murillo won that fight by utilizing his jab more .

Btw are u referring to crocop when u mentioned randleman koing a kick boxing champ?

 

yes

 

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C'mon Hanz, I know you don't know that much about MMA but come on dude.

Are you seriously arguing Rampage is a better striker than Alistair Overeem or Vitor Belfort??

Chuck has beaten Pele Landi-Jons who is a lethal striker. Kevin Randleman who knocked out a kickboxing world champion. Vitor Belfort who has great hands and knees.

He's also beaten world class fighters such as Renato "Babalu" Sobral (only man who really has beaten Mauricio Rua), Randy Couture, Jeremy Horn, Tito Ortiz, and Guy Metzger (former kickboxing champion as well) by knockout.

Not to mention decision wins over Murilo Bustamante (who nearly beat a prime Rampage) and Jeff Monson.

Chuck has many flaws in his game. But all of those fighters I just listed are definitely elite and Chuck beat them all...without controversy. His "flaws" are also strong points, and he has exploited them to his advantage for years against a who-is-who of the MMA elite.

In other posts you definitely seemed to know some shit about MMA...what's the deal? :dunno:


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Just because Randleman faked the takedown and punched CroCop in the jaw doesn't make him a top standup fighter. Look at how his "standup" did against Rampage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA31_MtSdEA

I'm starting to smell a little fight-finder ranging.

 

Clearly,UFC/MMA has a "Little Brother" Complex,as it Pertains to Boxing...


REED

 

Not MMA, just idiot internet fans. The idiot internet boxing fans have an "I'm not as cute as the new girl" complex.

 

I think its quite obvious that the UFC has been playing off of the weaknesses that boxing in general has shown over the past 10 years or so. They've looked for a gap in the market and tried to exploit it. Thats common practice in the business world.

I also agree that the UFC has "little brother syndrome". But what needs to be taken notice of, is that the little brother is growing at an exponential rate and sooner or later, bigger brother is going to need to not just acknowledge his presence, but make some changes to stay on top.

MMA is here to stay and its up to boxing to either evolve, or prepare to take it in the pocket. Boxing will never die. I don't know if anyone actually thinks it will. But boxing in its current environment is under threat like never before.

 

I loved the ko. Brutal.

 

Morrison,in his prime, would have murdered Liddell and quite easilly IMO. Not surprising, from someone who belive a mediocrity like Ortiz would beat Tyson, that you think person believing this are idiot. And you have the nerve to blast sherdogers, you fit very well with the best of them.

 

:bears: :bears: Exactly, I love MMA but it's idiots fans piss me off. They'll give no chance to a phenomenal athlete like PBF but completely disregard strikers with far less talent and skills ( Hunt for example ) who made the transition sucefully and quickly too. On Sherdog board you see shit like : " Sherk would PROBABLY lose to PBF in boxing but would rape him in the octogon "

 

For some reason I see MMA/Pride and other fighters as boxer wonnabes that don't have the talent to box on at the highest level so they have to be able to mix in the street fighting aspect. Because what I see are poor boxers and then once they take it to the ground they become wrestlers. That's the way cats scrap on the street. The dude that is on the bottom usually ends up losing. All I know is that none of those dudes could ever lay hands with an elite fighter. Especially with those lil ass gloves. Just my opinion. I'll Holla 5000

 

Most of the boxers that tried a crack in MMA got ruined.

And most of these fighters don't even originate from the sport of boxing. They come from wrestling and martial arts backgrounds. The reason why you see some poor boxers is that there are very few "boxers turned MMA" in the sport. Some good strikers have backgrounds in boxing.

 

Stick to hollaring.

 

dsimon writes:

Yeah you make a good point. I am not saying that it is "bad" or "good" fighting per se but untrained guys do fight in only two ranges boxing and wrestling. There is no sense of distance or footwork between these two gross ranges of fighting.

Funny thing is if you took a bare knuckles guy with good footwork from that era and put him in against an MMA guy I think he would have the grappling skills to deal effectively. To me a lot of MMA looks like Johnson era boxing with no footwork.

I know a lot of people will disagree so let me say this in closing this post. When Helio Gracie fought Kimura you can see how good footwork made it very hard for either guy to rush in and do anything to the other guy. Point being that good movement skills potentially neutralize a lot of stuff that happens in the interm between striking and wrestling.

 

dsimon writes:

There is a rumor going round that you and Mex are twigs is this true? ::

 

LOL...I have the first Ring magazine where they published a lettrer to the editor before I ever got to do this for extra change. :)

 

ehhhhh i wouldnt go that far, alot of people who watch ufc dont even know what pride is, nor have they seen a pride fight, if you go to youtube and look at some of the comments on the first chuck and jackson fight they have no idea this fight even happen, or who the guy is, and they say shit like chuck will get him back he always does

alot of ufc fans are 2 years, or maybe 1 year fans, and all they know is chuck llidel, ufc did great promotions making this guy the face of the company, and he got his ass whipped

 

what about people who grew up taking martial arts and wrestling in school, never had the premonition to even become a boxer? thats what most of these guys are, not boxers who couldnt make it, im sure most of them couldnt make it in boxing, just like most basketball players couldnt make it in football