Pacquiao running scared from Marquez!

Are you giving Valero "moral" support? :dunno:

 

is this you dismissing my entire post without even explaining why?

 

Comparing the greatest middleweight of all-time, a master technician...to a crazy fuckoff brawler? Right. Brilliant move.

 

i knew some dumb-ass would make a post like this. ::

 

You're asking for more of the same from anyone who reads that filth.

 

Well it's true, you ARE comparing the greatest middleweight of all time and a great technician, to a sloppy monk puncher. Like I said, Monzon's punches could be a little telegraphed but that's where the similarity ends.

Funnily enough, Valero is just as slow as Monzon, but Monzon was a middleweight.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree MWS...

I watched the Lozado fight again and all it did is prove what I'd said earlier about Valero being fast on the counter punches.

Lozado stepped toward him and he countered Lozado with a straight left (which basically KO'd him) and a right hook. Those two shots landed before Lozado could get his first punch off.

Secondly, I rewatched both sparring sessions with Morales and the Mosquera fight and my opinion doesn't change.

I see Valero mixing up the speed of his shots to keep the guy off balance. Sometimes he throws a lazy jab, sometimes he throws off speed straight lefts but when he throws for speed it confuses the opponent.

The biggest problem Valero has (outside of footwork) is that he doesn't move his head at all and raises his chin when he punches. Then again, Pacquiao has the same problem plus Pac's balance is worse.

The best course of action vs Pac is to stand your ground and catch him as he's coming in. Once JMM figured out the speed of the straight left, he timed Manny with right hands the rest of the night. The problem for JMM now is that Manny's got a right hook.

Morales had problems in the third fight because he spent so much time preparing for the straight left that the first right hook he got nailed with scared the hell out of him.

I don't think Valero has the issues handling Pac's shots because he's taller and he's a southpaw as well. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, his ability to counter and stand his ground will place him in perfect position to catch Manny as Manny's coming in. I see Manny getting caught coming in the same way Holyfield stepped back and caught Tyson in the 10th round of their first fight.

I think it's a great fight and one that Valero could certainly win.

 

Musze maybe you being impressed with his reactions and quickness to actually pull the trigger is leading you to overrate his handspeed.

The pure velocity of his punches is not fast, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Pacman's straight left just snaps out there like a bullet, valero's is telegraped and laboured, albeit powerful.

Like Alabama man, I don't think valero is a complete bum, he is a decent fighter at world level to be able to stop mosquera, but i was still not overly impressed.

It was only last week I watched the mosquera fight.

You cannot possibly say his handspeed looked good in that fight. As before, even if you like his timing and quickness to pull the trigger, his handspeed was significantly worse than mosquera's. Mosquera had the faster hands in that fight, and he's not exactly a speed demon.

Not only that, but did Valero not look very hittable in that fight to you? Not just the 3rd round either, all the way up to the round before mosquera was stopped.


Ironically, as Rubio has also sussed out, Pacman seems to have lost interest in boxing, and I am highly doubtful of him remaining an elite fighter now, along with his foray into politics and law school.

Thus, Manny is going to lose somewhat soon if he continues fighting.

But even the pacman we saw up until his last fight would crush valero, and I would still pick him over the monk.

And believe me, I don't actually DISLIKE valero like I did with people like tszyu, I would not root against him for the sake of it, I just don't think he is very good.

 

I just look at things differently I guess.

There's different kinds of handspped. For instance, Shane Mosley's hands are fast when he's leading, but he's not a great counterpuncher and doesn't pull the trigger quickly on the counter. Mayweather is fast either way, but he's better on the counter.

I saw the complete Mosquera fight shortly after it happened as well as the Lozada fight from earlier this year.

I've always said I don't downgrade guys on if they get hit, but HOW they get hit. The same goes for how guys throw punches and the timing they've got on those shots.

Valero's better than he's given credit for on this board. Do I think he'd beat Pac? Yes I do. Both guys would have their moments, but I don't think for a second that Manny runs over the guy.

Valero's got too much going for him to get run over by Pac. I ordered Pac's fight with Solis and there's no way you can make any kind of comparison between Solis and Valero. Solis didn't have the physical strength to deal with Pac and more importantly, he didn't have the balls to stand his ground and catch Manny coming in.

As stated earlier, Pac-Valero is teh best fight at 130 followed by Pac-Guzman. Those are the fights I want to see, not Pac vs the 30+ Mexican legend club.

 

I have only seen Valero in one fight and then a few clips here and there so my opinion isn't expert by any means. I just think he could use a few step up fights before going in there with Pac. Who promotes Valero, anyone know?:dunno:

 

I agree, mosley has very fast hands, they used to be extremely fast, but he's not THAT fast pulling the trigger, his reactions to seeing an opening and timing isn't great.

But if it's just handspeed we're talking about, then fuck yes, Mosley is fast.

I guess I am talking about the pure velocity of the punches, how quickly they reach the target, and how hard they are to see coming.

Judging in a pure handspeed sense, valero's hands are plain slow.

I think you simply mean he is quick to pull the trigger.

You're no idiot Musze, you must realize that valero's actual handspeed is not fast, ie the speed that his punches travel at.