Anyone who thinks Zab will win or has a good shot please say so here.

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  1. Double L

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    i wonder if PBF would ever fight Cotto, assuming he manages to beat Judah and then Margarito. i wonder if PBF would fight Margarito once he has wins over Williams and Cotto.
     
  2. dsimon3387

    dsimon3387 WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Damn I am truly fucked! I am in agreement with Double! :dunno:

    I might as well start masturbating in theatres, take more pills than Elvis....

    But Double is..... Double is...... Doube is absolutely correct! You people are dunces, it is a bs PPV and Cotto gets easy work!! :crafty: Hopefully Cotto puts the spaz out of our collective memory for a while until the next spaz fight comes and everybody talks about his being dangerous.:lol:

    The Spaz is nitch marketed, he has become a professional opponent!! Hey you!!!? wanna knock a spaz from Brooklyn out? real cheap PPV audience?
     
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  3. D MAN

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    az you need to post more here... one of the only respectable opinions on boxing that I like to read here

    I pick Zab to win this one too... I'd give Cotto a shot though. Remember how he got knocked around by the little Ricardo Torres just a few fights ago. Whenever he gets landed on solidly he seems to shake. Zab WILL land solidly.. he does against ALL of his opponents. He dropped Floyd, dropped Spinks bad, nailed Tszyu... and he will nail Cotto. I don't think Cotto can withstand it... he will get shaken and Zab knows how to finish. He won't be coming into this fight how he came in against Baldomir.
     
  4. Hex-One

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    If Zab hurts Cotto the fight is over. Zab will follow up with punches in bunches at the speed of light. Cotto's best chance is to take a knee and take 8 full seconds to recover.
     
  5. Erratic

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    Cotto, I think he would, if Arum lets Cotto fight Mayweather.

    Margarito is another story. He's considerably less popular than Cotto.
     
  6. Jake

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    I don't get all of this talk of Cotto being chinny or that if he gets hurt, he's done. Miguel's been hurt twice in his career, and both times he recovered well before the round was over. Meaning, he doesn't stay hurt for very long.

    Yeah, yeah, Zab's the biggest puncher he's ever faced, the biggest name he's faced, Zab's been at welterweight for a while, etc. It's still Zab we're talking about.

    Knockdowns both ways won't shock me in the least bit. In fact, I'm expecting it. But honestly, if Zab hurts Miguel early but can't finish him, the fight is over.

    And for all of the talk that Zab's the biggest puncher Miguel's ever faced, let's also remember that Cotto is no worse than the 2nd best puncher Zab's faced. And he didn't fare too well against the best cat he took a shot from :lol:
     
  7. Jake

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    ... for now. But beating Williams, and especially Cotto, would go a long way for him.
     
  8. Double L

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    why does Zab know how to finish? i've seen him get knocked down himself after hurting someone.
     
  9. Free Ike

    Free Ike WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Amen. I don't know if Cotto can take Zab's punch, but I know beyond any doubt that Zab can't take Miguel's shots, or his pressure.
     
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    Yes...early in the first 2-3 rounds..after that it should be all Cotto..
     
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    I think the talk stems from the fact that Cotto has been in SERIOUS jeapordy against Torres and Corely.

    Many people see Chop Chop as sort of a poor man's Judah, as thus question whether or not the same thing will happen against Zab. I am not calling Cotto "chinny," but I saw him almost out on his feet against a guy who can't punch nearly as hard as Judah can.

    As such, I give Zab a great chance in this fight. Chalk it up to a bad night, or weight problems, or whatever you want.... but anyone who has that kind of a struggle with Corely is not a SURE THING over Zab Judah.
     
  12. Double L

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    yeah but nobody who's picking Judah has provided a compelling case why he can finish Cotto off when neither Torres, who had a weight-drained Cotto hurt on multiple occasions and hit him with everything but the kitchen sink in follow up, or Corley could. And in the case of Corley, Cotto's leg literally flew into the air !!!
     
  13. az cat

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    Come on Double, do we really need to provide a compelling case for Zab finishing off a fighter who is hurt that bad? Just because those two couldn't doesn't make it a good idea that Cotto get hurt that bad against Judah.

    Point is that Cotto has been really close to being stopped twice against fighters who certainly aren't any better than Judah. And the things that got him in trouble in those fights are things that Judah does fairly well.

    That presents the opportunity that Cotto gets wobbled again. And unless Gatti or Corrales is in the ring, I'll generally take the fighter who ISN'T wobbling around the ring over the one that IS.

    If Cotto gets hurt in this fight, he'd be better off going down and taking an 8 count than he would be trying to weather the strom like he did with Corley and Torres.
     
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    Yes knocking out stinks in two tries once was quite a fiate.:notallthere:
     
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    Yes because Judah is such a good finisher.... he KO'ed and finished Stinks in two tries, poor Spinks never had a chance. :notallthere:
     
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    I think he has a very good chance to win. I wouldn't be surprised if Zab ko'd Cotto.
     
  17. D MAN

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    You are correct and as a Judah fan I hope that Cotto and his corner do not think about this prior to the fight.
     
  18. KaukipRrr

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    Zabz gon cum in FOCUSS n' beat Cotta wid mad fastne$$.
     
  19. D MAN

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    He knows because he does it.

    When he fights bums they hit the canvas 3, 4 times in the first couple rounds before the fight is stopped. Once he smeels blood he attacks, watch the Spinks fight, first one, 12th round, he attacked hard and nearly finished against one of the most defensive minded welterweight champs ever.. Spinks ran backwards from 6' + Taylor and dodged away from his shotrs, but Judah launched at him hard and dominated him in the 2nd fight and knocked him out. He doesn't let guys off the hook. Especially guys that tend to freeze up when hurt.
     
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    Yep...

    DESPITE His Limitations,Zab Judah is Still YOUNG,TALENTED & SKILLED Enough to Beat ANY Fighter N his Weight Range,on a Given Night...

    Cotto SHOULD B Favored,but it Shouldn't Surprise ANYBODY if Zab WINS this Fight...


    REED:nono:
     
  21. REEDsART

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    It WILL B Competitive EARLY...

    Cotto WON'T just Walk Out there & DOMINATE Zab from the Opening Bell...Kostya AND Floyd COULDN'T even Do That...


    REED:nono:
     
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    Yep...


    REED:cool:
     
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    Zab Judah is ALOT of things...

    A TRUE "Puncher" is 1 of them...


    REED:cool:
     
  24. KaukipRrr

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    :dunno: Uh, to reference Tszyu, your saying this fight will be competitive for atleast one round!?,..

    Doesn't sound like much of a 'SUPER-FIGHT' to me. :nono:
     
  25. Jake

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    The Corley fight is one of the most exaggerated I've ever seen. Cotto got hurt in the 3rd round. He was back in control of the fight by the end of that very same round. Yes, Chop let him off the hook, and Zab most likely won't.

    I mean shit, for everything you say about Cotto w/ Chop, I can make the same argument for Zab w/ Carlos Baldomir, who has even less power and is far les skilled than Corley. He had Zab badly hurt in their fight. In fact, Zab never got back into the fight after that.

    Cotto had a bad 1/2 round against Corley, and even in getting dropped and hurt against Torres, still dominated the fight. In the end, he stopped both of them.

    And let's not talk about fighters not being a sure thing. Zab's mug has long graced that billboard
     
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    :lol: for real

    for any weak moment Cotto showed in his career u can find ten of Zab...

    Sure Zab can find that chin and maybe bring him in trouble, but it's much more likely that Zab wil get frustrated with the pressure very soon and loses i mean he let Corley and baldomir back in the fight and even that one other dude which name can't be as famous cuz it left my mind...

    Pineda, Primera... sum hispanic guy... :dunno:
     
  27. Neil

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    cotto would give mayweather a harder fight than margarito. and it would be more exciting also
     
  28. Neil

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    who else has knocked out spinks?
     
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    Basically agreed. The way I look at this, is for all the people who say Cotto has a suspect beard; look at the punchers he's been in with. Not neccesarily quality fighters, but quality punchers...quality punchers who HAVE hit him well. He's been in real danger twice....but as you said, he showed true spirit in riding it out.

    Now, conversely Judah, has basically NEVER fought punchers his entire career. He's been in with a legit banger one...maybe two times (if you're going to include Millett..which is a fucking stretch)...and he was one and done in that fight.

    Cotto is battle hardened and the trend present is that sure you can hurt him, but not enough to discourage him or put him away. Zab on the other hand, also has trend, against a lesser quality of being and that is, if you can punch and you can land, you win, because Judah quits fighting.
     
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    REED Doesn't Know if this is a "Superfight" or Not...

    REED's Point is,Miguel Cotto WILL have to Whether Adversity of SOME Sort to DEFEAT Zab Judah...

    Even Floyd Mayweather AND Kostya Tszyu had to...



    REED:cool:
     

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