According to boxrec Brewster vs Klitchko 07/07/07 in Germany

Didn't Rahman get shot in a streetfight?

Maybe he's not as good at it as you think. ::

 

dsimn writes;

it isn't just weapons Hanzy! If I could show you some of this stuff it would be so much easier!:: For example when I execute a choke I use my hands in a way that I couldn't with gloves on.... I only choke when the guy is offbalance and when I am in a position where he can't grab me. When I punch I throw strikes so they are below his line of sight and he can't see them.

The training is just totally different. I worked with MMA guys bouncing and they usually got a beer bottle to the head when they tried to go into a technique with a guy. When I do a technique I expect the beer bottle to come. Sport contests are just different. Yes MMA guys are tough and strong and often they can simply work a street guy under certain circumstances... but so can a football player who is tough and strong.

Remember Mike Tyson broke his hand punching Green... perfect example. I don't punch like a boxer.... You know what? I am going to make you a tape when I have some time and contrast the differences so you can see some of the subtleties. Again, my intention is not to trash the MMA guys, I would hardly want to get into a ring and use my stuff and I say this as somone who has fought in the ring with full contact karate stuff. I just want you to visually appreciate that differences in training go beyond the opponent simply having a gun, or a knife, etc. Weapons are an advantage but they are not an end all be all to a conflict.

 

dsimon writes:

Rahman grew up in an area of Baltimore that can best be described as crazy. The reaon I know about Rahman is that my karate club was in this area and many of the guys I trained with ran with the same crowd. These guys could fight! in our training people often got broken up. I was lucky because as the token white boy my sensei and the rest of the club brought me along a little more slowly and carefully::. These guys were street guys but also very compitant fighters. Keep in mind that for me this meant I still got multiple concussions, broken fingers, a few busted ribs, a broken nose, etc.

 

I definitely see your points. In a world of 'anything goes', a lot of things can happen. It's a complex debate I think.

 

Only reason I don't rate Rahman is because of how soft he is in a boxing ring. I guess that's unfair in judging him as a 'streetfighter'.

 

dsimon writes:

that is my point.

 

Rahman fucking sucks in the context of what this board is all about. He might be a super chef, but it means fuck all to us here. Stop trying so hard to find a way to defend him. He's another chinny homo, who got totally embarrassed in his last fight.

You like some ridiculously poor fighters, Dimon.

 

dsimon writes:

It is because different fads develop and attitudes that accompan these fads. And then people don't train properly and blame the art :notallthere: . I think these things move in cycles. When Judo first was being introduced on the wholesale level in the late 1940's they were the big fish. They had beaten up on a lot of Ju Jutsu guys, they were all strong as shit and had a lot of similar grappling stuff that you see Ju Jitsu guys use now-a-days in the ring.

Then Karate became the shit because the karate guys back then trained with contact and... none other than Muhammed Ali loved martial arts and used to give props to Henry Cho and other Korean stylists.

About this time Bruce Lee came on the scene and everything, including those slow grappling judo guys were called old fashioned and unable.::

Through it all what people tend to forget is that martial arts that survived were used and devloped under real conditions of combat. These arts are more flexible than people think and go in and out of style every so often. For example, a lot of judo stuff comes from old Jujutsu systems (Koryu).

 

Still though, I haven't seen any tape of his street fights. I mean, Mitch Blood Green was a former street gang leader I've read. But still, his method of fighting in the ring or on the street was still via his left and right fists and when he traded with Tyson on the street, he got the worse of it. That's why I still wonder about these streetfighting debates. Sure Rahman had street cred and was an enforcer for some gang through Baltimore, I don't know though if that means he can just go out taking anybody since alot of boxers came from the mean streets of so and so ala Briggs, Tyson, Bowe, Golota, Green, Foreman, etc.
Lewis was raised in Kitchener, Ontario which is near me and that's hardly gangwar turf.::