Which was the bigger disgrace?

Which of these was the bigger disgrace?

 

shouldnt there be options?

 

i'd say gainer vs. jmm. gainer did NOTHING.

 

in recent years, i'd say Norris' quitjob vs. Vitali was probably the worst.

 

did you find the options? i put a, "other" category in case there's a different one.

 

I went with Freitas Diaz but just because it's fresh in my mind so that makes it a bigger disgrace. But I must say what Gainer did against Marquez is certainly on par with that. What a fag Gainer is.

 

Seldon Tyson was certainly a worst disgrace than Spinks Tyson considering Spinks got knocked out for real at least.

 

at least Freitas took some punishment and made an effort to win for 8 rounds. gainer straight up ran from marquez, who's not even that great of an offensive fighter.

 

Griffen's quit job against RJJ was pretty pathetic, as were Santana's dual quit jobs against Norris.

 

marquez not a great offensive fighter?

 

I hear you but quitting relatively unscatted in a fight you still have a chance to win very disappointing to the viewer. I was already wishing the fight would finish after the first round of Gainer Marquez, Freitas quit in an entertaining and competitive match-up. We've seen plenty of fighters get through way worse than what Freitas had to endure to pull out a win in the later rounds.

 

Seldon has to be up there with his fight against Tyson. As does McNeely.

 

freitas celebrating his quitjob, it has to be.

 

he's a great counter puncher, but isn't all that effective against a guy who's moving backwards. did he even land one meaningful punch against gainer?

 

It made it even worse than it was.

 

and yet, he did about 50x more than Briggs.

Still, neither compares to Freitas celebrating after quitting.

 

Griffin was pissed after the 1st cheap shot, but hurt after the 2nd. Fighters act like normal people when they get hit without expecting it.

That said, Santana sure seemed like he was faking, especially when his corner was telling to stay down. I believe that was the 1st time when he got hit behind the head. And he wasn't very convincing when he got hit after the bell in the rematch, either.

 

Tough choices. I went with Spinks Tyson, simply because of the SIZE of the event (at the time they were saying it was as big as the first Ali-Frazier fight)...and the fact that Spinks was undefeated, first man to beat Larry Holmes, first lightheavyweight champ to win a heavyweight and should have fought with the self belief and pride of a man with such accomplishments.

He was a terrified pussy that night, plain and simple. Utter disgrace!!

 

Gainer should have been allowed to fight all 12 rounds. While he had given up too many to win a decision, a fighter should be allowed to implement his strategy, regardless of how painful it is to the audience.

And I can think of a couple of instances where that strategy worked--Ward against Alfonso Sanchez and Briggs against Lyakhovich.

 

yeah. he did. that's why Gainer was so afraid of him. i don't think anyone can hit a guy who is in retreat the way Gainer was. that's the point. he basically quit after round one.

when a guy goes so defensive that he's forfeited completely his own ability to land punches, it's hardly fair to blame the other guy for not landing. even still, JMM got his hands on Gainer here and there.

 

Griffen was totally faking. Just watch it. As soon as he realized RJJ was being reprimanded for the late shot, he put his actor's hat on and fell to the canvas.

Also, I think JMM was trying to garner points when he stayed down for a few seconds after he was hit late by Pacquiao. But as soon as he realized the ref wasn't calling it, he sprang to his feet, just beating the count. Most people think it was because he was hurt real bad, but in fact, he was trying to pull a fast one, knowing that he'd been hit late, and that at that point, he could sure use an extra point, if not a DQ win.

 

he was. didn't the fight end because of a cut or something. what do you mean he should've been allowed to fight all 12 rounds?

 

I was thinking he got dq'd. Hmmmm...was it a legit stoppage? I have it in my mind that it was stopped when it didn't need to be...which is why I guess I assumed dq...

 

Spinks freaking out against Tyson is no disgrace. If ever there was a fighter WORTH freaking out about fighting, its a prime Tyson.

 

There's no question Santana was faking it, in both fights. I mean, dude left the ring on a stretcher SMILING after the first fight :: .

Grant Elvis Phillips deserved manager of the millenium for putting Santana into position where he received not one, or two, but THREE lucrative paydays.

That said, none of it happens if Terry Norris doesn't twice blatantly foul him - especially the second fight.

 

It's not that, but that Spinks never gave himself a chance at all, starting with training camp.

 

Mcneeley?

He tried hard and rushed Tyson from the opening bell, trying to hit (and butt) Tyson. He was just hopelessly overmatched.

Seldon, on the other hand, was so mentally beaten that went down from a missed punch.

 

spinks got knocked the fuck out. he had zero chance to win that fight in the first place. at least he didnt flat out quit after the first knockdown.

 

I guess the argument would be that McNeely's corner ended the fight the first chance they had. As much of a waste as the fight was, the fact that the crowd wasn't even given a true knockout made it that much worse.

But no doubt, Seldon was far worse. He was supposed to be at/near the championship level and, as you said, was looking for the exit from the opening bell. You know you're in bad shape when as a fighter you're looking for a quicker stoppage than Richard Steele ::

 

No fighter is worth freaking out against if you are:

a) the first (and only at the time) man to defeat Larry Holmes
b) The Linear Heavyweight Champion
c) Undefeated

And as Jake mentioned, he NEVER gave himself a chance....giving up long before the fight.

Spinks was/is a PUNK plain and simple!!