UNDERachievers...The Zab Judah Thread...

Yeah true. Well, I think Zab proved tonight though that he has WAY more heart than Fruity though. Fruity woulda quit in round 4.

 

he may have had the talent at one time, maybe. But his mental game has never been there, and thus the reason he never wins a big fight.:nono:

 

word.

 

I agree that Zab has heart. he has Michael Moorer vs Evander II heart. The heart to stay in the fight, but not the heart to keep trying to win. I kinda think Zab gave up mentally around round 5 or so.

It's semantics though.

 

I agree with X, that Riddick Bowe had tremendous talent.

"However"

I think Bowe achieved about as much as he deserved..not over or under. IMO, he would have NEVER beaten Lennox Lewis.

 

For everything Bowe did well offensively, defensively, he ate too many shots to have lasted long with Lewis. Even if his beard was better than Lennox', Lewis know how to protect if and remain offensive.

I think he'd have destroyed Bowe.

 

I see Cotto more like a Welterweight version of Joe Louis...somewhat vulnerable...but a heavy handed machine that keeps applying pressure with accurate punches, each with mustard on them.

He even has a similar style and look to the great Brown bomber.

 

He woulda beaten Lewis in 92. Lummox at that point wasnt polished enough to handle Bowe. The Manny trained Lummox of the late 90's however would probably do a number on Bowe.

Still would have loved to see it. And even more, would have loved to see Bowe-Tyson.

 

If McCall and Rahman could, and Klitschko could come close, as did Mercer {oh shit where is this going} then so could Riddick.

 

Ridiculous.

Honestly, Zab is a frustrating guy to watch. He could have done a lot better this fight but just didn't throw punches. Similar to Golota against Ruiz. Stop standing in front of him and throw!

Zab hurt Cotto many times this fight but didn't follow up. He has no mental toughness whatsoever.* He would never beat Mosely, DLH and Floyd for that reason alone. He does well and then looks surprised when he doesn't bomb out his opponents in 3.

*I do realise that it takes mental toughness just to get in the ring. This is more about having it on the level a professional prizefighter.

 

Hooraay for Zab, that will probably be his career achievemnet...."At least I had more heart then Freitas"

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Jarhead - Oba Carr and Michael Grant? ::

This is about HIGHLY talented fighters that never lived up to their potential.

Oba Carr was not THAT talented, he did well for himself, and gave good accounts of himself against ELITE fighters. He is no underachiever.

And Grant? He's rubbish. If anything he's an overachiever. Big clumsy mess of a fighter.

 

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Bojado - Like Cotto could still have been undefeated and building up a potential Cotto-Bojado match similar to the career buildup and following of ODLH-Trinidad. Unfortuneatly he didn't have the dedication or love for his craft to be great. He did have the talent though.

Camacho Sr. - Is an alltime great, but could have been so much better. Laziness, partying, too much too soon, maybe a lack of toughness, (and my personal favorite) cocaine all played a part in diminishing the career of one of boxings most naturally talented fighters.

 

Zab Judah's problem I think has always been his father. I just don't think his dad is or ever was a good trainer. To me its so disappointing to see a guy with the amount of natural gifts he has(Hand speed, power, athleticism), just continue to underachieve.


Michael Nunn is another. An AMAZING talent.


What about Donald Curry??.. He had no business having that short of a prime IMO.

 

Kellerman is that you?

 

dsimon writes:

Agreed.

Also yes his speed is phenominal but where is there any indication of his power? He had the power to back an exposed Cotto off of him... Cotto took those shots flush and kept assualting.

Zab has speed, and 3 rounds in him. He simplycan't deal with being pressured.

 

Oh, he hurt Cotto alright, but keeping Miguel off of you appears harder than most anything. Cotto looked badly hurt a couple of times, but he still keeps on coming. Thats kind of what makes Cotto so damn good. He doesn't seem to be able to be discouraged, regardless of vulnerability. Thats special.

 

dsimon writes:

How would Cotto have responded to shots from a guy like Trinidad? Or a guy like..... Torres? ::

My point being there is no empirical evidence that Zab has power that translates into the upper echelons of the division. I didn't see Cotto much affected at all by Zab's power.

 

Well, he responded to Torres by beating the fuck out of him and turning him to mince meat. Trinidad? Well, Judah don't punch like Tito, but not many welters ever did. Thats no shame. Zab's a legit banger, IMO...just not a finisher. Not against good fighters anyway.

I agree in part, but I focus more on finishing, than actual punching. Power wise, Zab is good. Finishing? He's shit. He just goes nuts and throws TNT at air.

I thought it was pretty clear that when Zab landed flush, Cotto was damaged.

 

Freitas is a front runner, it was always in him. No matter who trains him, he'll always be a guy that isn't ready to walk through hell to win a fight.

 

Carr was talented, he was just moved too fast. He won a decision to Bramble in which he was beaten up early in his career, a lot of people think that's what ruined him. I don't know if he would have become more than what he was, but a case can be made.

 

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Originally Posted by mexican wedding shirt
Jarhead - Oba Carr and Michael Grant?

This is about HIGHLY talented fighters that never lived up to their potential.

Oba Carr was not THAT talented, he did well for himself, and gave good accounts of himself against ELITE fighters. He is no underachiever.

And Grant? He's rubbish. If anything he's an overachiever. Big clumsy mess of a fighter.

Baron Quote:
Carr was talented, he was just moved too fast. He won a decision to Bramble in which he was beaten up early in his career, a lot of people think that's what ruined him. I don't know if he would have become more than what he was, but a case can be made.

:tease: Yeah, what he said!:tease:

Thanks Baron, I got your back, dog

 

Bill Parcells put it best when he said:

"You are what your record says you are."


Judah could have done this; Judah had the ability to that; and if not for such and such Judan would achieved......

Bullshit..

 

:clap:

 

Eddie Gregory and John Conteh.

 

I am going to go with Augie Sanchez. I'll Holla 5000

 

As I said before...

The definitive answer is:

Michael "Second to" Nunn

 

at least he had the greatest nickname ever, though.