Which Is The Better Fight: Mosley vs Mayweather or Mosley vs Cotto?

Cool, I'll remove you from my "People to kill" list and move you to my "People to watch" list.

 

A part of me thinks that Cotto might be getting just a wee bit overrated from winning a fight against a guy who was too afraid to engage and basically just let the guy beat his ass for 12rds. That old,slow, roided up Vargas put up a better fight than Zab did.

I don't want to take nothing from Cotto I give him all the credit in the world, but facts are facts and Zab barely even tried in that fight.

 

Weasling your way out of another argument ehh Massacure?

 

arguement about boxing? or just an arguement? im not one to argue on the net unless its about a topic, baron is my boy he knew i was only playing the whole time, he was just messing around if you wanted to know

 

Agreed Lib four Lib, but the facts are that it is indeed Zab Judah, it's Zab Judah, when this fight was signed, no matter if he won, he shouldn't be getting credit, Zab shouldn't have been his opponent, what makes it worse is that after the referee waved it away, Cotto screams in excuberance like he had just conquered the world!!? :notallthere: ,..it reminded me of when Fraud fell down to the floor crying after he beat the weakest beltholder at 140.

I don't give Cotto any credit, he beat a proven disgraceful loser who lost to Baldomir and hadn't won a fight since.

 

Hey Massa, dont take it personal im just fuckin with you like i always do.

 

Its a tough question, and hard to make a pick. I probably would rather see Mayweather-Mosley though, just because thats a fight myself, and most other fans have wanted to see for YEARS! Even before Cotto turned pro, we've wanted to see Floyd & Shane fight. I remember the Mayweather-Mosley matchup being debated all the way going back to the Secondsout days. Its about time to find out who would win between them. For that reason, I rather see Mayweather-Mosley.

But I wouldnt at all complain off seeing Mosley-Cotto, or Mayweather-Cotto. All 3 are great matchups.

 

Mosley-Cotto is only interesting cause Shane is past it. With all due respect to Cotto, but a prime Mosley would have chewed him up, and spit him out.

 

Mosley-Cotto is for the mainstream fans. Mosley-Floyd is for the diehards. A fight where Floyd can't outrun Shane and probably wouldn't try. I think he stands and fights with Shane and it would be good. Cotto-Mosley would be good until Cotto gets tired of taking 3 or 4 shots for everyone he lands and finally wilts, if he makes into the later rds though it gets more interesting. Would Shane's strategy be to try and take Cotto out early?

 

Thats an ignorant statement if Ive ever heard one. Way more mainsteam/casual fans would buy Mosley-Mayweather, than Mosley-Cotto. As for Shane's strategy in a Cotto fight. Shane always comes out looking to do damage early, and if he badly hurts Cotto early Miguel is fucked cause Shane throughout his career has always been a top flight finisher. Also Miguel has never fought anyone who would punish his body BACK. Shane will. Only question in a Mosley-Cotto fight is if a 35 year old Shane can maintain his stamina. If he can, he wins.

 

Mosley-Cotto MIGHT B More "Action Packed",but Mosley-Mayweather is More IMPORTANT...

Cause N REED's Opinion,Mosley has THE BEST Chance of Anybody N the 147-154 Range of Actually BEATING Floyd...

& By NO Means would Mosley-Mayweather B a Boring Fight...



REED

 

Ditto...


REED

 

thats fine, the topic starter asked which fight is more fan friendly. Its clearly Cotto/Mosley

 

I give Cotto a much better chance than Mosley of beating Mayweather. Simms would have a better chance than Cotto or Mosley. A few other guys at 154 would have a better chance than shane also. Shane cant really pull the trigger anymore

 

When was this?

If the money is right the fight will happen. Arum and top rank wanted no part of this match until recently. If Cotto gets past Margarito i expect to see this fight next year. Mayweather wont be passing up 15 million dollars to stay retired.

 

Floyd has always said he wou;dn't fight Cotto. As much as you hang on Floyd's words you should know as much.

How many times did Floyd talk about Cotto being a kid who idolized him while watching Floyd train at the Top Rank gym?

Ellerbe had an interview with the NY Times and basically said the exact same thing.

Lastly, there aren't any $15 million fights out there from Floyd so he might as well stay retired.

 

either produce some specific quotes or stop making these libelous posts. Everyone from top rank who Ive spoken to said they had no interest in matching cotto with mayweather because he wasnt ready. i asked arum himself before cotto fought quintana and he said he wasnt interested in making the fight because "mayweather would want all the money, fuck him"

now Ive seen where he has changed his tune because he realizes cotto is becoming a big name and it is a fight the public will demand if/when cotto defeats margarito and there will be enough money in it to make it a viable fight for both guys.

 

floyd said he'd wait about year or two for cotto to develop some marketability. recently, he said he'll fight cotto if he beats margarito.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/sports/othersports/11boxing.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

“Miguel Cotto ain’t even in the same stratosphere as Floyd Mayweather,” Leonard Ellerbe, an adviser to Mayweather, said yesterday by telephone. “He’s a good little young fighter. He makes a lot of mistakes. In time, as he gets better, he’ll become a better fighter.”

Ellerbe said that Cotto was not well known outside Puerto Rico and New York and that there would be no incentive for Mayweather to fight him, even though the bout could be an intriguing matchup.

How much more specific does this need to be?

Lastly, when Floyd was with Top Rank do you HONESTLY think that's a fight with any true potential? Since leaving Top Rank, Floyd's spoken more about guys he wouldn't fight than guys he would.

:dunno:

 

Apparently Neil's got selective hearing when it comes to Floyd.

Seems like everyone;s heard Floyd repeatedly talk about guys he wouldn't face and why.

 

Well what was said is true. The fight didnt make sense for either side until recently. I see no quote from Mayweather saying he wont face the guy. Nothing concrete like when Mosley TURNED DOWN A COOL 8 MILL to face Mayweather last November or when Hatton turned down a fight with Mayweather several times.

 

More for Neil's libel files...

http://www.nj.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/sports-1/1181544305197250.xml&coll=1

Quote from Ellerbe...


"Look, Miguel Cotto is not even in the Floyd Mayweather conversation. He never was in the Floyd Mayweather conversation and he's still not in the conversation. He's not even in the Floyd Mayweather stratosphere."

The two biggest reason Ellerbe isn't willing to give his blessings to a Mayweather-Cotto fight at this time is, Cotto's questionable pay-per-view strength and dearth of top-flight opposition.

"That was a regional fight Saturday night. It'll be interesting to see what the pay-per-view numbers are, but it was a great fight. Cotto did what he had to do by pressing the attack. He's a good little young fighter, but he makes way too many mistakes," Ellerbe said. "I repeat; he makes way too many mistakes to even remotely think of stepping up in the ring with Floyd Mayweather.

 

if you want to hear the comments directly from Floyd';s mouth...I'm sure you can find the same videos with Floyd running his mouth that I've seen.

Don't try to backtrack now Neil...everything I've said about Floyd shutting down a long list of guys is 100% true.

You know as well as I do that Ellerbe is a 'roided up Bundini to Mayweather. He parrots the same crap as Floyd. If Floyd said it, Ellerbe said it. If Ellerbe said it Floyd said it.

You know the deal, son. :cheer:

 

Floyd always talks a lot of nonsense...."I'm the greatest fighter ever".."I will fight Oscar toe-to-toe"..."I will not go to England to lose a wrestling match"...."Sure I'll beat Ricky Hatton in Manchester"...."I'm retired". When he starts turning down deals to fight guys like Cotto and Mosley like he did for Margarito then I'll assume he wants no part of them.

Right now it just sounds like more of Floyd's trash talk.

If Floyd doesn't get the Oscar rematch (and Oscar gives the okay) then I think we will see Mayweather-Mosley. Where else will Floyd get the big payday?

 

So where do you rank Floyd's turning down $8 million to fight Margarito? :dunno:

Secondly, Mayweather and Mosley weren't going to fight you know this...there's no way May 5th would have been jeopardized...especially considering Shane beats that ass.

 

Well honestly I didnt read this stuff Leonard was saying until now. All that can change if the judah fight did good ppv numbers and cotto beats margarito impressively. that will clearly legitimize him as the best opponent for mayweather. forget Mosley. He turned down the bout for 8 million bucks to fight collazo a few months later for less than a quarter of that. This is a proven fact that Jin Muzsely is choosing to ignore. Ricky Hatton has wanted no part of Mayweather either, anyone with common sense realizes these things. If Cotto being with Arum makes mayweather hesitant to face him that really sucks for boxing fans. I sure as fuck dont care to see Mayweather make Trinidad look like Baldomir. Mayweather-Cotto is the only fight that matters.

 

But he beat up a guy that was worthy enough to step in the ring with the great Floyd...

 

I havent said anything about margarito. He is obviously a guy Mayweather has refused to fight. The other three you mentioned are hogwash. Mosley wouldnt jeopardize anything, he merely did not want the bout.

 

I think Cotto-Judah will do better PPV numbers than any Mayweather fight prior to this year. Floyd and Leonard will counter with "Floyd was involved in the biggest fight ever" even though he was playing 2nd fiddle in the star category.

I highly doubt someone like Shane was scared of Floyd, nor was he that disabled by his dental issues. Jin is very business oriented and their family vacations probably could've taken a back seat to eight figures.

Oscar wanting the Floyd fight is the main reason why Mayweather-Mosley did not happen in November 2006.

 

All that is well and good but Im not seeing any evidence of Mayweather turning down fights with Hatton, Cotto, or Mosley the past 4 years as Jin Muzsely claimed.

I am very interested to see the PPV numbers for Cotto-Judah.