Damn. An American Can Even Get A Decision In Turkey, Never Even Mind Europe Proper!!!

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Excuse the ranting camel dealer. Turn the commentary down. Fuck y'all who say "don't go to Europe"...McCall took his ass into Turkey, one of the most low-down joints on the Earth, and got the decision in a close fight, against one of their national heroes. No more complaints people.:nono: :nono: :nono: Man the fuck up and leave America.:nono:

 

Whata whoopin' Orthadox Cruisader, that oughta have Rod Steward coughin' and weezin' in the mornin'.

 

Did you see that crazy loon get the decision in Turkiye? Against their National Hero? Sinan Samil Sam Fatman-Al-Fatso???

How he got a decision in Turkey....its testament to the progressive sentiments of that Nation.

Now..get on a plane, Jane. No more excuses.:nono: :nono:

 

where's rainmaker when u need him::

 

Man the fuck up and come to Vegas where real boxers make real paydays. Hatton and Calzaghe are the only fuckers who can possibly entice Americans to come over to their house and fight because they are the only ones that can put up World Class Paydays in their houses.:nono:

 

EXCLUDING a Few Select Euro FANS,EVERYBODY ELSE N the Prizefighting Industry has Looooooooooooooooooooooooooong REALIZED that AMERICA is the "Mecca of Boxing"...

PERIOD...

& there's NOT Even a SLIGHT Argument to the CONTRARY:nono: ...

Basically,SHUTthefuckUP & Tell your Boys to Come OVER HERE like the REST of Boxing's ELITE Does...

OR, Accept a MichalSHITski Type of Existence....


REED::

 

OC is a cock, there's no doubt...but Europe is without question a rival for USA dominance. Especially @ the weights that traditionally matter the most. There's a reason why people view today's featherweights as a 'golden era'. Its because the higher weights are suffering greatly in the states and they've looked elsewhere to divisions which are usually ignored.

 

But REED's Point is,Even During this Euro/Russian HEAVYWEIGHT Dominance,ALL of those Guys R DESPERATELY Trying to Establish Themselves N AMERICA...

Wlad's ALREADY Done it & Continues to Fight HERE Every So Often...Ditto for Maskaev to a Much SMALLER Degree...

& Obviously,Chagaev AND Ibragimov WANT To B "Names" on American Soil....

If Soccer/Football is a NON-American Sport,then BOXING Most Definitely IS an American Dominated Sport...



REED

 

Just for arguments sake, here's the status of the four major sanctioning bodies belts, from 147 and above.

Heavyweight: All four belts are stationed in Europe.
Cruiserweight: Three of the four are stationed in Europe. One in the USA.
Light heavyweight: Three of the four are in Europe. One in the USA.
Super Middleweight:Three of the Four are in Europe. None in the USA.
Middleweight: Two of the four are in Europe. Two in the USA.
Jr Middleweight: Three of the four belts are in the USA. One in Europe.
Welterweight: One of the three belts is from the USA. I'm not sure where Cintron claims that he's from though. :dunno:

Now, this doesn't tell the whole story obviously, as we have various argument sin the form of lineage AND those that believe in "champion" status...which is a tough sell, because there's no set rule and people tend to call whoever they like the best "champion".

 

I don't disagree that the USA holds the power strings. Most of the major bodies bow down to USA pressure, which I can't really say is a good or bad thing. Thats not really anyones place.

HBO remains the most powerful non-boxing entity around, IMO and its their influence that reaches far and wide. They bring some hefty sums of money and reach a wider audience, due to arrangements with global television networks regarding TV rights. The same thing happens with DK promotions, Golden Boy promotions and Top Rank. They all have international TV rights deals in place to beam cards across the globe, where HBO and Showtime have gaps.

I think it has more to do with these second and third party influences than any residual belief that the USA is "Mecca" or whatever that is. Things may change when Arum and King move on. That will be the real test case, IMO. For a lot of things in boxing.

 

Sinan Sam fucking blows. At age 42, it's hard to believe that McCall is the gatekeeper of this shitty division.

 

I don't konw how "desperately" they're trying to establish themselves in America. I think they might be desperate to establish themselves on American television, but as has been shown in recent years...American television (primarily HBO) is increasingly willing to travel to Europe to broadcast fights.

Case in point, Klitschko is regarded as the best heavyweight champion and three of his last four fights (if you include his upcoming bout with Brewster) were held in Germany, not the U.S.

Chagaev, arguably the second best heavyweight champion began his carerr in the States but after signing with a European promoter he hasn't fought in the U.S. since 2003 and took the title from a champion who won the belt from an American champion in Germany and had four of his five title fights in Europe.

Ibragimov, like Chagaev, began his career in the States and was able to find a promoter that especially early in his career was able to promote him and Timor effectively...and he has maintained that by fighting most of his career in the States. However, despite that, his title fight with Briggs was originally going to be in Russia, even though Briggs was the champion. The reported reason it didn't happen there was a clash in dates with Maskaev-Klitschko (also supposed to take place in Russia).

Maskaev's a different story because he began his career much longer before the other champions, in 1993, and there weren't a lot of promotional options in Europe...which is perhaps why he's promoted by a smaller promoter (in Dennis Rappaport). If he turned pro at a later date, perhaps he's fighting under one of the European promoters instead. Since he didn't, he hasn't been consistently promoted in Europe, yet despite that, his first title defense was in Russia (the first heavyweight title fight to take place there)...and his second defense (against Vitali Klitschko) was supposed to have taken place in Russia.

Vitali Klitsckho, arguably the biggest name amongst the contenders, is having his first comeback fight - which might be one of the bigger events in the division this year - is fighting his next fight in Europe.

Alexander Povetkin is arguably the best prospect in the division and he's promoted by a European promoter and hasn't fought in the US or even been televised in the US.

Odlanier Solis, another top amateur, is promoted by a German-based promoter and had his first two fights in Europe.

So I don't think there's nearly as much emphasis on Europeans "making it" in the US as there used to be.

It appears to that some Europeans will only come to the US if there is significant money put up by a network like HBO. If that isn't the case, there's not that much of an incentive for them to fight here.

 

It seems to me that King has already adapted to the new landscape in boxing by promoting a lot more fights (and fighters) in Europe.

It's a different set of circumstances for Arum. He's locked in to the Latino market in the US, it wouldn't make sense for him to start promoting in Europe.